Todays left wing version of the KKK

[I'm Watermark]

?? But you raise a fair point. And I do learn a bit. Its still a science no matter how soft. I just dislike how instead of unbias its more often used for some misguided 'social justice'. the softer the bias the more room for opinion.

What kind of classes do you generally take? Because in a lecture, bias would be annoying, and obstructive. But if there's an ample amount of discussion involved, openly challenging that opinion would be a good way to apply the material.

 

[Auster]

Oh...bullshit. Sociology is based upon empirical data compiled through observation, interviews, and crossreferencing different ethnicities, socioeconomic groups, cultures, religions and races. Psychology is based upon empirical data compiled from counselor/patient studies over the years.

You don't learn about people by sticking your head in the sand.

Sociology is based on data collected by individuals with an agenda. What was started as a means to document social structure became a quest to change social structure. Instead of science it became corrupt. the facts are still there, but often they can be interpreted in many ways.

When debaters make jokes about republicans or conservatives (me) using sociology as evidence its clear that sociology has changed from what it started out as.

 

[Auster]

What kind of classes do you generally take? Because in a lecture, bias would be annoying, and obstructive. But if there's an ample amount of discussion involved, openly challenging that opinion would be a good way to apply the material.

I favor biology, sociology, psychology, philosophy, and some physical health courses.

the classes I'm taking this year are a little more 1-1 than others. But my problem with soc is that it pushes a political view on addition to the data. Almost unwaiveringly. Its a tool for politics at this point. Like I mention above its sometimes joked about when I cite sociology as evidence.

 

[Steelplate]

Sociology is based on data collected by individuals with an agenda. What was started as a means to document social structure became a quest to change social structure. Instead of science it became corrupt. the facts are still there, but often they can be interpreted in many ways.

When debaters make jokes about republicans or conservatives (me) using sociology as evidence its clear that sociology has changed from what it started out as.

It a social structure creates a large amount of disaffected people, why not try to change it so that the number of disaffected are minimized? Why study these things if we are just going to ignore solutions?

 

[Auster]

But your solutions are just that. Yours. Opinions are being taught instead of fact and just like literature has several criticism types or the bible has several levels of interpretation sociology is not a one shot one answer deal.


But some things sociology teaches are true, yes. I don't mean to say its garbage.

 

[Steelplate]

But your solutions are just that. Yours. Opinions are being taught instead of fact and just like literature has several criticism types or the bible has several levels of interpretation sociology is not a one shot one answer deal.


But some things sociology teaches are true, yes. I don't mean to say its garbage.

No....Sociology points out issues. The method of dealing with those issues varies...mostly by political ideology. Speaking of which, I take it when you say "opinion instead of fact", what you really mean is "liberal solutions= opinion, and conservative solutions(or lack thereof)=fact".

 

[NOVA]

precisely. My mother, God rest her soul, used to have a bumper sticker on her Cadillac that read, "Don't like abortions? Don't have one."

How many did she have ?

 

[Steelplate]

How many did she have ?

Oh....I see...well....tell me....yes or no answer only, please...

Have you stopped beating your wife yet?....yes or no.

 

[Auster]

Not at all. When I say opinion I mean taking data and intrepting it for your audience. I would be equally upset if a conservative slant was thrown on it as well. Sociology is wrong to try to force an opinion upon someone.


And in an academic enviornment

 

[maineman]

How many did she have ?

Not one... But actually, she almost aborted her first child, but the back alley place was so dirty and disgusting, her father, who had gone along for support, talked her out of it. She always thought that women should have a safe and sanitary way to abort unwanted pregnancies and was pro-choice all her life.

 

[NOVA]

Not one... But actually, she almost aborted her first child, but the back alley place was so dirty and disgusting, her father, who had gone along for support, talked her out of it. She always thought that women should have a safe and sanitary way to abort unwanted pregnancies and was pro-choice all her life.

Too much information mate.....

 

[maineman]

Too much information mate.....

If you didn't want to hear the answer, then maybe you shouldn't have asked the fucking question in the first place, eh?

 

[Steelplate]

Not at all. When I say opinion I mean taking data and intrepting it for your audience. I would be equally upset if a conservative slant was thrown on it as well. Sociology is wrong to try to force an opinion upon someone.


And in an academic enviornment

So academics are just supposed to give raw data and let students sway in the breeze? Or should they give raw data and explain the different ways society has come up with creating solutions and the ideologies that guide those decisions?

I think the problem is that Conservatives don't think that there is a problem, or if there is...that it's a problem of "laziness"....their solution is to keep making it easier for the wealthy to make more and more and then, they will trickle down to the workforce. Which, of you look over the past 30 years since Reagan introduced the idea....that hasn't been the case...the wealthy have done extremely well, but they aren't trickling down like they should be....then to compound that peoblem, Conservatives want to do away with Social Programs that have kept our poor with food in their stomachs and roofs over their heads, that have kept our elderly from starving and the sick getting care all on the ideology of "why should I have to pay?".

Now tell me I'm lying and tell me why you think that even if the Conservative Ideology was presented(which I actually think it is) in a classroom with equal weight of progressive ideology, would students choose an Ideology that basically says "every man for himself, and if you fall through the cracks...MAYBE we'll throw you a bone when we're done eating the meat"?

I think the right wing media plays up the idea of "liberal academia". I've had some college classes....Sociology was one of them. There was no "righteous us and evil them" about it.

 

[Auster]

So academics are just supposed to give raw data and let students sway in the breeze? Or should they give raw data and explain the different ways society has come up with creating solutions and the ideologies that guide those decisions?

I think the problem is that Conservatives don't think that there is a problem, or if there is...that it's a problem of "laziness"....their solution is to keep making it easier for the wealthy to make more and more and then, they will trickle down to the workforce. Which, of you look over the past 30 years since Reagan introduced the idea....that hasn't been the case...the wealthy have done extremely well, but they aren't trickling down like they should be....then to compound that peoblem, Conservatives want to do away with Social Programs that have kept our poor with food in their stomachs and roofs over their heads, that have kept our elderly from starving and the sick getting care all on the ideology of "why should I have to pay?".

Now tell me I'm lying and tell me why you think that even if the Conservative Ideology was presented(which I actually think it is) in a classroom with equal weight of progressive ideology, would students choose an Ideology that basically says "every man for himself, and if you fall through the cracks...MAYBE we'll throw you a bone when we're done eating the meat"?

I think the right wing media plays up the idea of "liberal academia". I've had some college classes....Sociology was one of them. There was no "righteous us and evil them" about it.

Sociology contains little conservatism other than presenting right-minded ideas and historical organization. You know structualism and behavioralism and major conservative talking points. If it didn't it wouldn't be a science. It also helps when spoonfeeding students to give them a badic idea of their competition.

There is no RWN spin on academia. Rather its not just made up. Ots no secret that the right has moved increasingly far from intellectualism. Oh sure there are pockets of it here and there, and there are pkenty of educat d conservatives, but new thinking is by definition what the right opposes. You can't seriously claim that the average college is mother peddling a progressive agenda of social accountability. It flows ftom the very pores of higher education, andodern colleges reflect that in their enviornments, their students social structures.

As far as students 'choosing' progressive agendas, its no secret that our culture, I'm Hollywood esp, promotes it. The ones in power have been since about the 20s, if memory serves Me.

Thesr students are sometimes never given the flip side, and I'm proud to say that I attract both those looking for a differing viewpoint and those wanting to debate. I don't always win, but I freqently talk to those who admit to having no other source of conservatism to talk to intellectually.

These prople are often looking to balance their own ethics, which often include personal acvountability, hard work and merit based living. These people aren't conservative, they simply feel social programs enable helplessness and reward laziness. They see the government as bloated and corupt, they see tge conservatives as controlling, and the liberals as conformist and intolerant.

 

[Anti-Party]

Except they are much more efficient about it today, they call it a "CHOICE" and they don't need their white hoods

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Minority women constitute only about 13% of the female population (age 15-44) in the United States, but they underwent approximately 36% of the abortions.

According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, black women are more than 5 times as likely as white women to have an abortion

On average, 1,876 black babies are aborted every day in the United States.

It has been estimated that since 1973 Black women have had about 16 million abortions.

A highly significant 1993 Howard University study showed that African American women over age 50 were 4.7 times more likely to get breast cancer if they had had any abortions compared to women who had not had any abortions.

It is clear that abortion is responsible for killing more blacks than the horrors of slavery, Jim Crow and the KKK combined and it is all supported and funded by democrats.

You are learning...........you will get there.........

The facts are there. The question is, do we need abortion to keep unfit parents from having Children? And what can we do to prevent it when we ban abortion?