ACA going into full effect, needs fixes badly, how will it happen?

evince said:
but it was OK for the republicans to block background checks that 90% of the country wanted?
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Is this your way of conceding that you were wrong about the American people being happy with their healthcare prior to Obamacare? If so, I humbly accept your concession.
 
I Love America said:
Trust me, I know Desh is a woman. I don't know many men who are that stupid, although SteelPlate and Maineman are giving her a good run this morning.
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oh fucking A


your a woman hater too?


jesus dude the LONG list of people you hate reflects your soul.


you hate yourself more than you hate me.

your a real turdbonnet arent you
 
DamnYankee said:
Repeating bullshit in all capital letters and bold doesn't make it any more true then the first time you spouted it.

The Democrats barely passed ACA, and they did this by arm-twisting and bribery of senators facing re-election and who's constituency didn't want it. The Democrat Party then paid the price, losing the House and several senate seats. The big damage was state legislatures; Democrats got slaughtered. GOP majority legislatures are doing whatever they can to thwart ObamaCare.

Think of this like when the Japanese bombed Peal Harbor. You woke a sleeping giant.
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Dude if you can't handle this conversation .. you should go talk to someone else.

You're spouting stupid ass meme to someone who has been against Obamacare from the moment it passed .. and who speaks better of the consequences than you do.

Try your meme here ..
www.nickeolodean.com
 
I Love America said:
Is this your way of conceding that you were wrong about the American people being happy with their healthcare prior to Obamacare? If so, I humbly accept your concession.
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dude we all remember the discussions of the time.

you have only proven you are a turdbonnet
 
blackascoal said:
That easy.

Democrats passed the ACA by reconciliation .. which essentially means that they can pass anything they want regardless of republican objections.

Medicare is a long-existing program, thus extending it to all Americans would have been easy .. infrastructure, functionality, and user-understanding already in place.

One of the most popular programs in American history.

No mandate.

Employers taken out of the healthcare equation.

AND, the question of constitutionality would have never been asked.

Conservatives and Liberals Agree: Medicare for All Would Be Constitutional
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu/medicare-for-all_b_1400712.html

They could have done far better than the ACA .. and the reason they didn't .. Barack Obama

He is a corporatist .. not a democrat.
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I think you are overly simplifying this. Not once was the subject of Medicare for all seriously discussed. Sure guys like Kucinich floated the idea, but it was never a serious proposal. So to claim that it would have been "easy" is not accurate.

Also, lets not forget that Medicare is going broke so that plan could have easily been trashed. It would have threatened current seniors with benefit cuts (which they took anyway). Lastly, and most importantly there is no way they could have pushed that plan without the spectre of RAISING TAXES. That is how you ended up with the monstrosity that is Obamacare.

But, make no mistake, Obama is as committed to single payor as you are. That we aren't there yet speaks more to your impatience than Obama's committment. I posted his comments, you seem to want to ignore them. Seek the truth. For someone who is closer to getting his way than I am you seem very angry.
 
evince said:
oh fucking A


your a woman hater too?


jesus dude the LONG list of people you hate reflects your soul.


you hate yourself more than you hate me.

your a real turdbonnet arent you
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Yup, you have conceded. I see you can no longer argue that people liked their healthcare, so now you run to this corner. Calling you stupid does not mean I am a woman hater. It means I think you are stupid. Using your logic, BAC is a homophobe because he called Howey stupid. Is that true?

Look, this morning is not turning out well for you. You should quit while you are still behind.
 
I Love America said:
I think you are overly simplifying this. Not once was the subject of Medicare for all seriously discussed. Sure guys like Kucinich floated the idea, but it was never a serious proposal. So to claim that it would have been "easy" is not accurate.

Also, lets not forget that Medicare is going broke so that plan could have easily been trashed. It would have threatened current seniors with benefit cuts (which they took anyway). Lastly, and most importantly there is no way they could have pushed that plan without the spectre of RAISING TAXES. That is how you ended up with the monstrosity that is Obamacare.

But, make no mistake, Obama is as committed to single payor as you are. That we aren't there yet speaks more to your impatience than Obama's committment. I posted his comments, you seem to want to ignore them. Seek the truth. For someone who is closer to getting his way than I am you seem very angry.
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I am a huge fan of the Medicare for all plan. It could be done slowly by first instituting it for all children, then lowering and increasing the age until the gap is filled.
 
blackascoal said:
Dude if you can't handle this conversation .. you should go talk to someone else.

You're spouting stupid ass meme to someone who has been against Obamacare from the moment it passed .. and who speaks better of the consequences than you do.

Try your meme here ..
www.nickeolodean.com
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A majority of the public was against ObamaCare from the beginning. But the Democrats foolishly passed it, and have payed the price ever since. The voters spoke in 2010 and 2012, punishing the Democrats for doing what they did. Now, when Democrats want to "fix" something and require GOP support, they are running into a brick wall. These are facts, and they are undeniable.

ObamaCare will, eventually, be defeated.
 
I Love America said:
No my friend, it is YOU who is not listening. The reason the democrats could not pass single payor was because the American people didn't want it. Believe it or not, politicians still worry about getting elected.

Regardless, the question was whether or not the American people were happy with the healthcare they were receiving at the time. I clearly posted a poll showing that they were. There are many others. Now, you claim to seek the truth, but it would appear that you are as able to employ cognitive dissonance as anyone else.

The simple fact is when asked, people were happy with THEIR healthcare. It isn't that complicated. You are conflating issues
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Most people were happy with their healthcare insurance .. those who had healthcare insurance .. but you ignore the demand for healthcare reform.

The top issues of the 2008 elections ..
1. Iraq (46%)
2. Health Care (24%)
3. Economic Issues (22%)
4. Immigration (15%)
5. Gas Prices/Energy (8%)
6. Terrorism/National Security (7%)

As I said .. and you ignored .. even republicans had to produce their own plans.

The 2008 Presidential Candidates' Health Reform Proposals: Choices for America
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Pub...th-Reform-Proposals--Choices-for-America.aspx

So the question is was there a demand for healthcare reform when the ACA was devised?

Of course there was.
 
DamnYankee said:
A majority of the public was against ObamaCare from the beginning. But the Democrats foolishly passed it, and have payed the price ever since. The voters spoke in 2010 and 2012, punishing the Democrats for doing what they did. Now, when Democrats want to "fix" something and require GOP support, they are running into a brick wall. These are facts, and they are undeniable.

ObamaCare will, eventually, be defeated.
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Obviously you have no idea of who you're talking to.
 
blackascoal said:
.. those who had healthcare insurance ....
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Many of those who didn't chose not to, choosing to spend the money some other way. Loosening up insurance regulations, allowing high deductible, catastrophic coverage, would make it affordable to this group.
 
I Love America said:
I think you are overly simplifying this. Not once was the subject of Medicare for all seriously discussed. Sure guys like Kucinich floated the idea, but it was never a serious proposal. So to claim that it would have been "easy" is not accurate.

Also, lets not forget that Medicare is going broke so that plan could have easily been trashed. It would have threatened current seniors with benefit cuts (which they took anyway). Lastly, and most importantly there is no way they could have pushed that plan without the spectre of RAISING TAXES. That is how you ended up with the monstrosity that is Obamacare.

But, make no mistake, Obama is as committed to single payor as you are. That we aren't there yet speaks more to your impatience than Obama's committment. I posted his comments, you seem to want to ignore them. Seek the truth. For someone who is closer to getting his way than I am you seem very angry.
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You're stuck in the meme.

HR676 / s703 .. any idea what that is?

Doesn't sound like you do.

"angry" :0) ,, you must be joking.
 
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blackascoal said:
Most people were happy with their healthcare insurance .. those who had healthcare insurance .. but you ignore the demand for healthcare reform.

The top issues of the 2008 elections ..
1. Iraq (46%)
2. Health Care (24%)
3. Economic Issues (22%)
4. Immigration (15%)
5. Gas Prices/Energy (8%)
6. Terrorism/National Security (7%)

As I said .. and you ignored .. even republicans had to produce their own plans.

The 2008 Presidential Candidates' Health Reform Proposals: Choices for America
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Pub...th-Reform-Proposals--Choices-for-America.aspx

So the question is was there a demand for healthcare reform when the ACA was devised?

Of course there was.
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First Gallups poll included those who didn't have insurance. 11% of the sample if you check.

As far as the burning issues of the day, 24% is not huge mandate is there? It was a ginned up issue. It wasn't something that was coming from the people. The left has been pushing this issue since the dawn of time because all statists know that if you control retirement and healthcare, you control the people. That is the desired goal. It is not for people to have "great healthcare". Statists seek to control others through government coercion
 
blackascoal said:
You're stuck in the meme.

HR676 / s703 .. any idea that is?

Doesn't sound like you do.

"angry" :0) ,, you must be joking.
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Please stop with the phony premise. I never said it wasn't A proposal, I am sure that bills introducing Medicare for All have been around for a long time. But, the fact remains that it was never a SERIOUS proposal that was talked about and you know that. Could it have passed? We will never know. You believe it would, I am saying I don't know. The bottom line is that Obama is as committed to single payor as you are. He obviously sees the political landscape much clearer than you do. The American people were not ready for that kind of drastic change. If you believe it you are as guilty of cognitive dissonance as you accuse others.

Will we get there in the end? Probably. Obamacare is the transition. It was not designed to work. It was designed to crash the system, cause chaos and keep people in crisis mode. Your lack of patience does not change the end game. While I don't agree with single payor, I can see the writing on the wall that it is the direction we are headed.
 
I Love America said:
First Gallups poll included those who didn't have insurance. 11% of the sample if you check.

As far as the burning issues of the day, 24% is not huge mandate is there? It was a ginned up issue. It wasn't something that was coming from the people. The left has been pushing this issue since the dawn of time because all statists know that if you control retirement and healthcare, you control the people. That is the desired goal. It is not for people to have "great healthcare". Statists seek to control others through government coercion
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You can misread the stats however you choose .. but healthcare was a higher priority for Americans than the economy, gas prices, and terrorism. ONLY the debacle of Iraq was higher.

Even republicans were forced to address the DEMAND for healthcare reform.

You can save your soliloquy about 'statists' .. not interested.
 
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