Hillary Clinton's Poll Numbers Take A Huge Nose Dive, And Benghazi Is To Blame

blackascoal said:
That is indeed possible.

But she may walk into the WH door facing republican majorities in both Houses.
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This will not happen. Between now and 2014 November, there is another 18 months of Tea Bagger die-off. The movement can't sustain itself. IDK, maybe the gerrymandering will win out. Bachman is already gone though.
 
Sierra said:
This will not happen. Between now and 2014 November, there is another 18 months of Tea Bagger die-off. The movement can't sustain itself. IDK, maybe the gerrymandering will win out. Bachman is already gone though.
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Much respect for your comments on this board .. just in case I haven't already told you. :0)

However, democrats are vulnerable in the Senate .. and Obamacare is about to go into full effect. If the implementation does not go well, or it negatively impacts hiring or small business .. it will be 2010 all over again.

Democrats have put republicans in a position to win by just doing nothing.
 
blackascoal said:
She had a 30 point lead over a relative unknown named Barack Obama in 2007 .. wasn't enough.
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The more people see her the more she reminds them of some frigid bitch aunt that caused their favorite uncle to philander and drink. Then there's Bengahzi: "what difference does it make".
 
DamnYankee said:
The more people see her the more she reminds them of some frigid bitch aunt that caused their favorite uncle to philander and drink. Then there's Bengahzi: "what difference does it make".
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From my perspective Hillary has many laudable qualities. Being a male, I wouldn't presume to challenge what many women see in her that makes her worthy of being a role model .. much of what I'd probably agree with. In fact, if she was the same peace-activist Hillary that stood on the right side of the Vietnam War, I'd still be a fan of hers. But she's not that Hillary anymore.

Her love of war has nothing to do with her being a woman .. unless she feels compelled to be as militaristic as any man .. and more.

There is a reason why Hillary changed .. a reason why she cannot be trusted with American military power.
 
The dude brought up the MIC....which makes me wonder... Is weapons manufacturing our National Industry anymore? We've outsourced so much of our manufacturing sector, that perhaps the machines of war is the one of the main things keeping us from massive unemployment and economic collapse.

Just idle conjecture on my part, of course. I've been up all night working and am on my last break before going home...so admittedly, my mind's a bit fuzzy.
 
Steelplate said:
The dude brought up the MIC....which makes me wonder... Is weapons manufacturing our National Industry anymore? We've outsourced so much of our manufacturing sector, that perhaps the machines of war is the one of the main things keeping us from massive unemployment and economic collapse.

Just idle conjecture on my part, of course. I've been up all night working and am on my last break before going home...so admittedly, my mind's a bit fuzzy.
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MIC is where I take a moral stand, I won't invest in killing. Even if its Neanderthal rednecks!
 
blackascoal said:
From my perspective Hillary has many laudable qualities. Being a male, I wouldn't presume to challenge what many women see in her that makes her worthy of being a role model .. much of what I'd probably agree with. In fact, if she was the same peace-activist Hillary that stood on the right side of the Vietnam War, I'd still be a fan of hers. But she's not that Hillary anymore.

Her love of war has nothing to do with her being a woman .. unless she feels compelled to be as militaristic as any man .. and more.

There is a reason why Hillary changed .. a reason why she cannot be trusted with American military power.
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I think that she "talks the talk", about being tough on terrorists, and those who would do America harm. But she's proven not to "walk the walk" with the Bengahzi incident. It's reminiscent of what her husband did in Mogadishu, 1993. Both abandoned Americans in the middle of the fight.
 
Howey said:
I see...a throwaway vote.
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That would depend on one's stance on principal and what they consider as 'winning.'

I will not vote for anyone who is corporate-owned and/or engages in the senseless slaughter of human beings .. regardless of race, gender, or any other factor, even if it was my mother. To do so might be a win for them, but it would be a serious loss for me and my spirituality.

Everybody doesn't have spirituality nor principles. They see voting your conscience as a 'throwaway vote.'
 
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DamnYankee said:
I think that she "talks the talk", about being tough on terrorists, and those who would do America harm. But she's proven not to "walk the walk" with the Bengahzi incident. It's reminiscent of what her husband did in Mogadishu, 1993. Both abandoned Americans in the middle of the fight.
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The walk that she walks today is the one that she's paid to walk. If it was up to her, Iran would be a parking lot now, and Syria would be renamed Clintonville. Any and everything that Israel doesn't like would be bulldozed.

Can't get much tougher on 'terrorism' than Hillary Clinton .. because the 'terrorism' she fights isn't real .. it isn't real. The terrorism that she fights .. like the terrorism that the right fights, are people fighting back against the MIC and our uber-ignorant cowboy grab for global resources.
 
blackascoal said:
The walk that she walks today is the one that she's paid to walk. If it was up to her, Iran would be a parking lot now, and Syria would be renamed Clintonville. Any and everything that Israel doesn't like would be bulldozed.

Can't get much tougher on 'terrorism' than Hillary Clinton .. because the 'terrorism' she fights isn't real .. it isn't real. The terrorism that she fights .. like the terrorism that the right fights, are people fighting back against the MIC and our uber-ignorant cowboy grab for global resources.
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I don't think she's supportive of Israel.
 
blackascoal said:
Iraq
Afgahanistan
Libya
Syria

Which ones were Hillary against?

If she was in office now she would have already armed the Syrian Al Qaida 'rebels' .. and quite possibly have committed US forces.

White House rebuffed Clinton-Petraeus plan to arm Syrian rebels: report
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/03/us-usa-syria-clinton-idUSBRE91201220130203

Joint Chiefs Chairman Backtracks On Support For Arming Syrian Rebels
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/04/18/1887911/dempsey-arm-syria-rebels/

Her judgement is horrendous when it comes to war.
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I agree. It's the main thing I hold against her. I'm not so certain she'll run, though.
 
One thing needs to be pointed out that as far as I can see has been totally ignored up to now. Benghazi was not an embassy, it was a consulate. Consulates are subject to a lower level of security worldwide, that's just the way of things.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
One thing needs to be pointed out that as far as I can see has been totally ignored up to now. Benghazi was not an embassy, it was a consulate. Consulates are subject to a lower level of security worldwide, that's just the way of things.
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Yep. And Stevens twice turned down more security offered by Gen. Ham, and the general took "no" for an answer. Why isn't he on the hot seat also?

CAIRO — In the month before attackers stormed U.S. facilities in Benghazi and killed four Americans, U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens twice turned down offers of security assistance made by the senior U.S. military official in the region in response to concerns that Stevens had raised in a still secret memorandum, two government officials told McClatchy.

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christiefan915 said:
Yep. And Stevens twice turned down more security offered by Gen. Ham, and the general took "no" for an answer. Why isn't he on the hot seat also?

CAIRO — In the month before attackers stormed U.S. facilities in Benghazi and killed four Americans, U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens twice turned down offers of security assistance made by the senior U.S. military official in the region in response to concerns that Stevens had raised in a still secret memorandum, two government officials told McClatchy.

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Stevens was also a CIA agent.
 
blackascoal said:
Biden is no challenge to Clinton. I'm sure he has much higher unfavorable ratings then she does. The nomination is hers if she wants it .. but I don't believe her winning will be the cake-walk many believe that it will be.
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I am not saying that Biden is a challenge. I am saying that I don't believe the nomination is hers if she wants it. Everyone thought that about 2008 too. She had a pretty tough primary. What has changed to prevent that? How has Hillary insulated herself from a significant primary challenger? She hasn't. Biden is a dolt to be sure, but he has as much claim to run for President as she does. VP trumps Sec of State from a perception standpoint.

Never underestimate the megalomania of any person desiring to be President. There are plenty out there who think it should be them. I don't think the Clinton machine is as potent as it once was and I don't see any desire for Obama to give her any boost.

I am not convinced she is a lock for the nomination
 
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