Can Heterosexuality be Reversed?
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DamnYankee
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poet
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Brilliant. Except that I, wholeheartedly believe, that sexual orientation is "hard-wired"....me, personally being attracted to the same sex, unbeknownst to me, at 4 yrs of age. How else could that occur?
poet
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Originally Posted by poet
Posted by Damn Yankee:
I had to get off my tablet and go to my desktop to address this crap. Your opinion is not certifiable "truth". Where is your documented evidence supporting your position (which, when you post it (if you post it) I will "tear apart")?
Here:
http://www.policymic.com/articles/1...erican-vote-and-their-civil-rights-reputation
"...During the Reconstruction period, African Americans voted solidly Republican, while Southern whites voted Democrat, because the Democrats had overwhelmingly supported the Confederacy while the Republicans had been supporting the Union.
Hiram Revels and Jeannette Rankin, the first African American man and the first woman to be elected to Congress, were both Republicans. In fact, African Americans were not even allowed to attend Democratic conventions until 1924. African Americans and women continued their pattern of voting Republican for decades, all the way up until the 1930s, when President Franklin Roosevelt began to make inroads with the New Deal Coalition, despite the fact that nearly all segregationists in the South were Democrats.
In 1936, Roosevelt was able to get 71% of the black vote, a devastating blow to Republicans. The GOP was able to make some gains back during the 1950s under President Eisenhower, but the next decade would see the final nail in the coffin.
In 1964, Republican Senator and presidential candidate Barry Goldwater voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act. This was the first piece of civil rights legislation in 12 years that he had voted against, and his doing so proved devastating to his chances to beat incumbent Lyndon Johnson. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 that had been written by Republicans in Congress. Goldwater claimed that he voted against the bill because he believed parts of it to be unconstitutional. Still, the bill flew through the Senate, with the GOP providing a majority of the 60 votes needed.
Although LBJ had fought against and later castrated the 1957 Civil Rights Act as a senator during the Eisenhower administration, he will always be remembered for signing a somewhat weaker and more critically challenged act seven years later.
Actions speak louder than words. Despite the fact that Republicans had led the fight for civil rights for a century, a Democrat was in office when everyone was paying attention, and he took the credit for himself and his party. Perhaps more people would not be so willing to laud the accolades onto President Johnson if they heard some of his more colorful thoughts.....Later on, no matter what hand the GOP had in things, their image remained tarnished, fairly or not. In the 1990s, a new Republican Congress led by then-Speaker Newt Gingrich ushered in the wildly successful welfare reform. Signed into law by Bill Clinton (Democrat, again) these reforms help to lift millions out of poverty and led to a roaring economy and a budget surplus.
Clinton got the credit, despite the fact that he initially didn't want to sign the bill into law.
One could say that up until the mid-sixties, the GOP had been on the right side of history for a solid century."
Today, it's clear they are on the wrong side of history on almost every issue. And even no less than Colin Powell and Lawrence Wilkerson have stated that the Republican Party is "full of racists". - poet
poet
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DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
I take no issue with ANY adult sexual orientation. I just don't think it's a black/white or on/off sort of thing.
When I was a prepubescent boy I had no use for girls. Sex had yet to rear it's head in my world view. How I wanted to dress and act had much more to do with my learned cultural mindset than anything. Perhaps if I were in Scotland, I would have enjoyed wearing a skirt. Had I done so here I would have quickly learned (from all the abuse I would receive from my peers) that this was unacceptable. Likewise all the other "gender norms" we were raised to expect or aspire to.
When puberty kicked in, all my friends were boys and that is where my earliest sexual awareness began. If a boy engages in a circle jerk between friends at this stage of life, does that brand him (or the appropriately different activity with girls) as gay? I don't think so. We are still figuring it all out at that point. I don't know what genetic and cultural factors eventually push us to a sexual fixation on just one sex to the exclusion of the other. But, I don't think it is JUST genetics or JUST learned behavior. I think we all have it somewhere within us to be sexually gratified with the proper physical manipulation, no matter who does it.
I think who we, as sexually mature humans, fall in romantic love with is another matter. By that point in our existence how do you separate out programed vs. hard-wired? And why should we care anyway? If we are both happy loving who we love, that's the important thing. Do I think someone can be programmed - at that point - to change sexual focus to the other sex? Not without violating every human right we hold dear. In a secret place out of public view, with drugs, and physical and emotional and mental torture, and all the other things modern science can provide? Yah, then maybe.
Should we want to? Hell NO!
When I was a prepubescent boy I had no use for girls. Sex had yet to rear it's head in my world view. How I wanted to dress and act had much more to do with my learned cultural mindset than anything. Perhaps if I were in Scotland, I would have enjoyed wearing a skirt. Had I done so here I would have quickly learned (from all the abuse I would receive from my peers) that this was unacceptable. Likewise all the other "gender norms" we were raised to expect or aspire to.
When puberty kicked in, all my friends were boys and that is where my earliest sexual awareness began. If a boy engages in a circle jerk between friends at this stage of life, does that brand him (or the appropriately different activity with girls) as gay? I don't think so. We are still figuring it all out at that point. I don't know what genetic and cultural factors eventually push us to a sexual fixation on just one sex to the exclusion of the other. But, I don't think it is JUST genetics or JUST learned behavior. I think we all have it somewhere within us to be sexually gratified with the proper physical manipulation, no matter who does it.
I think who we, as sexually mature humans, fall in romantic love with is another matter. By that point in our existence how do you separate out programed vs. hard-wired? And why should we care anyway? If we are both happy loving who we love, that's the important thing. Do I think someone can be programmed - at that point - to change sexual focus to the other sex? Not without violating every human right we hold dear. In a secret place out of public view, with drugs, and physical and emotional and mental torture, and all the other things modern science can provide? Yah, then maybe.
Should we want to? Hell NO!
christiefan915
Catalyst
Exactly. When I was 4 I was attracted to male TV stars and the neighborhood paper boy. There wasn't any thought behind the attractions, they were on the visceral level.
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Darla
Really, 4?! Well well well. I guess we know who the undercover slut has been this whole time huh! Yet I take all the heat!
poet
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Who apparently identifies as "Republican", meaning, he was being "objective"...something you're never in the same room with.
And again, dodging the request....where is your evidence, outside of your opinion?
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
So?
It's ludicrous to suggest that a group of people used to thinking one way will suddenly switch to the opposing party over one issue, especially when its supposedly a code-word like "southern strategy" or "states rights". The South turned to the GOP gradually because the folks who used to be poor and powerless found a voice as their economy improved. That, and the huge immigration of people from the North who got tired of northeast liberalism.
tekkychick
New member
Um - the big switch in the 60s was due to racism. GOP became the party for those who were racist, regardless of the past history of the party.
christiefan915
Catalyst
Lol. This was before eight years of Catholic school put a damper on my inner slut.
Please don't take this wrong, but I have to keep chucking about this. I favor the right to choose who I have sex with or decide to marry, whatever their gender is. But at 4 I was "attracted" to Cheerios and Teddy Bears. Sexual OR Romantic attraction wasn't even on my horizon, let alone in my rear view mirror. But, perhaps I was just a backwards child.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
It's ludicrous to suggest that a racists with a multi-generational history of fighting against the GOP would suddenly join it, while at the same time citizens with a multi-generational history of fighting against the Democrats would join the Democrat Party.
Then history must be ludicrous, because that's what happened.
The point being that the PEOPLE didn't change their generations long prejudices. They just dumped the old organization that used to cater to their prejudices (Dems) and joined the other organization (Repbs) that now catered to them. It was explained by Nixon's political strategist Kevin Phillips, he did not originate it, but merely popularized it. In an interview included in a 1970 New York Times article, he touched on its essence: From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that...but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats...
Reference: Wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
You can choose to be in denial all you like, but facts is facts.
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Wait... What thread is this anyway. I find myself arguing a totally different issue than described in the thread title. Not on purpose, I assure you.
Eight years of Catholic school created my inner slut, lol!
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Darla
LOL I know right? They stick us in those pleated skirts and make us wear knee socks, what do they think is going to happen?
christiefan915
Catalyst
Please don't take this wrong, but I have to keep chucking about this. I favor the right to choose who I have sex with or decide to marry, whatever their gender is. But at 4 I was "attracted" to Cheerios and Teddy Bears. Sexual OR Romantic attraction wasn't even on my horizon, let alone in my rear view mirror. But, perhaps I was just a backwards child.
It wasn't an adult level of attraction because what do 4-year olds know about sex? I just had crushes on these people.
Plus, females develop faster.
christiefan915
Catalyst
Well damn. I should have gone to your school!