ACLU - Billions of Dollars Wasted on Racially Biased Marijuana Arrests

Don Quixote said:
just how would he get it through congress, the religious right would have a coronary
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Why would he have to take it to Congress?

He could end the war on marijuana with the stroke of a pen signing an executive order.

The reason for his betrayal on marijuana is the same reason for his betrayal on healthcare .. the corporate money.

Obama is a corporatist .. how is that not known?
 
Topspin said:
I believe he's more watching to see if America wants it!
His outright support would galvanize those pro pot republicans into weed jihadist!
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Your not paying attention my friend. Obama is a corporatist. Start from there.

The word 'republican' has absolutely nothing to do with Obama's betrayal on marijuana .. who has a record far worse than George Bush .. either one of them.

At what point are those who support sane marijuana laws going to actually take a stand and point the finger where it belongs?

This issue is analogous to Operation Wall Street running from pointing the finger at democrats .. which of course made their message hypocritical, false, and unsustainable.
 
Don Quixote said:
it is not that minors cannot access recreational drugs, but if they are legal for adults it just would make it harder for minors to get them. there will always be dishonest merchants that will sell to them. the upside would be the dismantling of drug sales networks which would reduce sales to minors as the penalties would be too severe for the possible profit.
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There's not a whole lot of people that have the ability to make their own alcohol; but please tell me what's to stop people from growing their own mj and kids having access?
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
There's not a whole lot of people that have the ability to make their own alcohol; but please tell me what's to stop people from growing their own mj and kids having access?
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While in general I agree with you - I do know people who make their own wine and beer; and certainly there are illegal stills out there.

In terms of growing pot - alas, my thumb isn't just non-green, it is known as "major-plant-killer" in certain groups; the Darth Vader of the plant killing world. So I will have to rely on the goodness of others to share their crops.

But certainly there are people much more adept than I growing their own pot currently; and who is to say their little tykes don't sometimes nip at the bud? We do tolerate parents deciding what's best for their young'uns up to the point where it's physically or mentally harmful (and, sad to say, sometimes beyond that point).
 
tekkychick said:
While in general I agree with you - I do know people who make their own wine and beer; and certainly there are illegal stills out there.

In terms of growing pot - alas, my thumb isn't just non-green, it is known as "major-plant-killer" in certain groups; the Darth Vader of the plant killing world. So I will have to rely on the goodness of others to share their crops.

But certainly there are people much more adept than I growing their own pot currently; and who is to say their little tykes don't sometimes nip at the bud? We do tolerate parents deciding what's best for their young'uns up to the point where it's physically or mentally harmful (and, sad to say, sometimes beyond that point).
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Your comment is akin to just throwing your hands in the air and saying Oh-Well.

I never said that people can't make their own alcohol; but how many kids do you know who are running a home brewery or still?
Kids can plant a seed and grow their own. Hell, some of them are doing it now; so how is legalizing this and putting it under "government control" going to keep it out of their hands?
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Your comment is akin to just throwing your hands in the air and saying Oh-Well.

I never said that people can't make their own alcohol; but how many kids do you know who are running a home brewery or still?
Kids can plant a seed and grow their own. Hell, some of them are doing it now; so how is legalizing this and putting it under "government control" going to keep it out of their hands?
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Not that you are just he biggest squar on the board but a douch nozzle as well!
Kids have easy access to pot now; moron.
Having a regulated industry would make it like cigs and beer. Less accessible
Fucking mini bike gang member
 
Topspin said:
Not that you are just he biggest squar on the board but a douch nozzle as well!
Kids have easy access to pot now; moron.
Having a regulated industry would make it like cigs and beer. Less accessible
Fucking mini bike gang member
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Were those your comments or those of The Dude?
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Y so how is legalizing this and putting it under "government control" going to keep it out of their hands?
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I never said it would. Kids are getting it now; they could get it if it's legalized. Is it easier than making beer/wine? Probably.

Apparently I missed the emphasis of your comment - I focused on the first part, you were focused more on the second.
 
tekkychick said:
one of my questions is - is it really about stopping drugs or is it actually about funding police and sheriff departments?
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I'd be careful not to demonize law enforcement. They believe they are doing the job they have been commisioned to do. The problem isn't law enforcement per se as much as it is that law enforcement is not the solution. The issue of drug & alcohol dependency is a public health issue as these are publicly traded commodities (legal or not). The best approach for dealing with chemical dependency is not the legal system because they are not professionally trained in managing public health problems. It's not their focus. What needs to be changed is the paradigm from illicit drug use being considered a crime to it being considered a public health issue then divering funds going to law enforcement to public health. Certainly you'll run into opposition from entrenched buearocracies but that should be expected . The point being is the paradigm as to how the problem should be managed needs to be changed.

Western Europe has had a substantial amount of success with the public health approach and they have dramatically cut down on cost while at the same time decreasing the number of substance abusers and eliminating or greatly reducing the black market which is the main source of most drug related crime.
 
Darla said:
I am not so sure about legalizing "Drugs" per se, but definitely marijuana.
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Legalize is the wrong term. Decriminalize is probably a better term. In the public health paradigm those who commit a crime under the influence of that crime are still held accountable for their acts. The punishment can be mitigated if the person is willing to enter into the public health system and be treated for substance abuse. In a decriminalized system a person who is determined to get a specific drug (i.e. an addict) they can obtain the drug legally, but only if they enter the public health system where they have to recieve treatment and/or be monitored by public health professionals.

The paradigm here is to stop thinking of drug use as a crime but to think of it as an illness that requires treatment.

That approach is proving to be far more effective, both in terms of costs and reducing the numbers of people who have chemical dependecy problems, then the judicial/legal system is.
 
Superfreak said:
Prohibition doesn't work. It simply enables the criminal element of the drug trade to thrive. My only caveat would be that if you become addicted... it is on you. Only an idiot would not be aware of which drugs had the greater chances of addiction.
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I'm sorry but I can't agree with your conclusion on those addicted. I mean you're half right but it is treating the addicted that is the key here. If you can prevent them from taking drungs or intervene to place them into treatment programs when they do become addicted is how you achieve the best results. That's not just from a compassionate stand point either. It's how you get the best results both in terms of improving public health, decreasing crime and saving a shit load of money.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
There's not a whole lot of people that have the ability to make their own alcohol; but please tell me what's to stop people from growing their own mj and kids having access?
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Does not seem that hard.

http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Alcohol-from-Common-Table-Sugar

Ihttp://www.wikihow.com/Make-Alcohol-from-Common-Table-Sugar have become skeptical of whether it will be harder for kids to get, not that I am convinced it will be easier. It is just not easy to tell what will happen in a dynamic market that is likely to still be regulated in various ways (including possible zoning laws/deed restrictions prohibiting people from growing it in their front or even back yard).

Still, marijuana is already readily available. I would rather they got it from their neighbor's garden than pursuing it in a black market.
 
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