A Genuine Obama Scandal?

Rune said:
But we shouldn't resist efforts to collect our guns, because the Government is so trustworthy, right?
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while i do not think that our government is so reliable, what efforts to collect our firearms is occurring?
 
When will you people get it straight? Nothing is ever this Presidents fault

It is either Bush's fault, a hurricanes fault, a tornado's fault, a tsunami's fault, low level roque agents fault, and on and on and on and on and on.

I would question this Presidents smarts, but he has never released his transcripts from Columbia
 
tekkychick said:
This isn't an Obama scandal. It's not a Bush scandal.

It's an appalling thing that our govt is doing, but as Dungheap says, they're just doing what congress lets them do....
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Not according to the author of the Patriot Act:

“As the author of the Patriot Act, I am extremely troubled by the FBI’s interpretation of this legislation. While I believe the Patriot Act appropriately balanced national security concerns and civil rights, I have always worried about potential abuses. The Bureau’s broad application for phone records was made under the so-called business records provision of the Act. I do not believe the broadly drafted FISA order is consistent with the requirements of the Patriot Act. Seizing phone records of millions of innocent people is excessive and un-American.”
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http://sensenbrenner.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=337001
 
SmarterthanYou said:
you need to pay attention to states like cali and new york. look at recent history, like new orleans after katrina.
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you know that i live in California and do not approve of registration, but do approve of a do not sell list/background check program/database with appropriate security measures.
 
Don Quixote said:
you know that i live in California and do not approve of registration, but do approve of a do not sell list/background check program/database with appropriate security measures.
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like the do not fly list? that even ted kennedy found himself on? his position afforded him the opportunity to have himself removed, but what about the thousands who have no power? lists and databases to prevent something are nothing more than prior restraint and are unconstitutional.
 
California doesn't confiscate guns in general.

However, we have had a successful effort to retrieve guns from people who no longer qualify to own them - people who had purchased guns but later were convicted of an offense that keeps them from owning one now.

In general, people in California who want to own guns and who are allowed to, CAN own guns. And all sales go through background checks, even private sales.
 
tekkychick said:
California doesn't confiscate guns in general.

However, we have had a successful effort to retrieve guns from people who no longer qualify to own them - people who had purchased guns but later were convicted of an offense that keeps them from owning one now.

In general, people in California who want to own guns and who are allowed to, CAN own guns. And all sales go through background checks, even private sales.
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maybe you should read about the after actions taken by the state AG after passage of the Roberti-Roos act. guns were indeed confiscated.
 
Darla said:
Howey you are being sarcastic right?
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Rune said:
Yes Howie, are you being sarcastic? I do not believe so. Please surprise me.
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No, I'm not.

SmarterthanYou said:
of course you wouldn't understand. you have no respect for the right to privacy.
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This is why, Darla. We have nutcases overseas plotting with nutcases on our soil to destroy the country. We have nutcases on our soil, like STY, who belong to groups dedicated to bringing down our government and destroy our country. We have nutcases like BAC who flipped 180 degrees in less than a year and turned from a passionate socialist to an America-hating supporter of anarchy.

If intercepting any of the phone conversations between any of these people saves American lives, then I'm all for it.


SmarterthanYou said:
maybe you should read about the after actions taken by the state AG after passage of the Roberti-Roos act. guns were indeed confiscated.
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Were all guns confiscated? No. Assault weapons.



tekkychick said:
It's actually legal - and here's a hypothetical on why it might be needed:

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/06/06/why_the_nsa_needs_your_phone_calls

(if it asks for a subscription, then google on "why the nsa needs your phone records" and hit the link that way)

As far as the author of the Patriot Act suddenly being troubled by this - HA HA HA HA HA HA. Wondering if he's on this message board with that kind of inconsistency?
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At least tekky "gets it".


Here's the thing you guys don't understand. We only know about this stuff because our society is more open thanks to social networking. It's been going on for decades. We don't need to know what our government has to do to keep us safe, we just need to know they're doing all they can.

If this entails legally monitoring phone calls or legally using drones to kill terrorists, both of which are actions that save American lives, then good.
 
Howey said:
No, I'm not.

This is why, Darla. We have nutcases overseas plotting with nutcases on our soil to destroy the country. We have nutcases on our soil, like STY, who belong to groups dedicated to bringing down our government and destroy our country. We have nutcases like BAC who flipped 180 degrees in less than a year and turned from a passionate socialist to an America-hating supporter of anarchy.

If intercepting any of the phone conversations between any of these people saves American lives, then I'm all for it.
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The sad thing is that you seriously believe that the current government we have had for the last 20 years is actually one working within the confines of the constitution. that makes you a pathetic statist. As for me destroying the country? i'm trying to restore it, something you're obviously against.

Howey said:
Were all guns confiscated? No. Assault weapons.
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skipping the whole scenario, aren't you? not surprised.

Howey said:
At least tekky "gets it".


Here's the thing you guys don't understand. We only know about this stuff because our society is more open thanks to social networking. It's been going on for decades. We don't need to know what our government has to do to keep us safe, we just need to know they're doing all they can.

If this entails legally monitoring phone calls or legally using drones to kill terrorists, both of which are actions that save American lives, then good.
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howey, the perfect little statist slave. lick the boot that you serve.
 
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