What happens if the young and healthy don't sign up for Obamacare?

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The Force is With Me
What is known for sure is that premiums for the young and healthy will be substantially higher .. which of course if the very point of Obamacare.

What happens to the program if enough of them don't sign up for higher premiums and coverage they don't need?

Implementing Obamacare - The rate-shock danger
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[H]ealthy consumers are the key to the entire enterprise. They are the ones who are vulnerable to rate shock. If they think the premiums are too high, they will pay the small penalty and wait until they are sick to buy coverage. If that happens, premiums will climb higher, more healthy people will drop out, and Obamacare will cause health insurance markets to collapse. Obamacare supporters are in a near-panic that young, healthy people won’t sign up for coverage, and with good reason.

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The fact that Obamacare dramatically raises premiums on young people is a big deal, because the majority of uninsured people are young. It’s the fact that insurance is already so expensive that leads so many young people to opt out. They’re perfectly healthy; they don’t have a lot of money; but they’re being asked to shell out thousands of bucks for policies they won’t use. And Obamacare’s solution to this problem is…to force them to pay more?
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2013/06/implementing-obamacare

What happens if the young don't sign up .. many of whom don't have health insurance because of costs .. now they're going to be hit with a higher rate for coverage they may not want or need?

What happens is even higher costs for everybody else .. and the program implodes.
 
the back of the mind contiingency has always been to say that there will be no prosecutions for not paying, but after the shortfalls of revenue are noticed, that law will change and we'll see lots of property forfeitures to cover their losses.
 
the back of the mind contiingency has always been to say that there will be no prosecutions for not paying, but after the shortfalls of revenue are noticed, that law will change and we'll see lots of property forfeitures to cover their losses.

Sounds like an insane way to do business/healthcare.

Currently the law has no teeth .. and I doubt the republicans will be anxious to give it dentures.
 
this is what government has always been about, takers making others overpay for those that are the ones that actually use the services.
 
this is what government has always been about, takers making others overpay for those that are the ones that actually use the services.

Um, isn't that what insurance companies do? They charge a whole bunch of people a monthly rate.. if you add up the monthly rate, it's not going to cover a major operation or a major car accident...they're counting on a bunch of the people not using it...
 
I know I wouldn't buy into it at all. Why should my generation buy into it? We already pay the most for college to have the highest unemployment and lowest wages? Fuck you for FORCING us to pay more.
 
Um, isn't that what insurance companies do? They charge a whole bunch of people a monthly rate.. if you add up the monthly rate, it's not going to cover a major operation or a major car accident...they're counting on a bunch of the people not using it...

True, I often have insurance companies force compliance at gun point.
 
Um, isn't that what insurance companies do? They charge a whole bunch of people a monthly rate.. if you add up the monthly rate, it's not going to cover a major operation or a major car accident...they're counting on a bunch of the people not using it...

one usually isn't forced at gunpoint to have insurance.
 
I know I wouldn't buy into it at all. Why should my generation buy into it? We already pay the most for college to have the highest unemployment and lowest wages? Fuck you for FORCING us to pay more.

seriously we need to go children of the corn on this nation.
 
Affordable Care Act's challenge: getting young adults enrolled

Starting next year, Californians will be required to have insurance. Some young people plan to forgo coverage. But the plan needs them to balance out older people.

more
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-young-adult-insure-20130603,0,3134348.story

If the young and healthy don't sign up .. the entire program implodes

BAC as a self admitted socialist, what are your biggest gripes? Is it that it's not single payer?
 
ObamaCare's Young and Restless

The past couple of weeks have seen a revisitng of one of ObamaCare's promises: that it would lower premiums.

The President and supporters of the law promised that the average family premium would decrease by $2500. To be fair, although the law was passed over three years ago, most of its key components don't take effect until next year (2014).

The promise that the "average family premium" would decrease by $2500 certainly insinuates that most people will see a dropoff in their health insurance costs, but as smart policy wonks point out, there is one group of people who can count on getting a raw deal: the young and healthy.

Today in the Orange County Register, Grace-Marie Turner makes this point loud and clear:
About two-thirds of the uninsured are younger than 40. They use fewer health services, and their premiums are needed to help keep insurance costs down for everyone else.

Yet the incentive structures in the law work at cross-purposes with this goal and could well undermine its success. It will all come down to costs.

Four out of 5 people younger than 30 will face higher premiums than without the Affordable Care Act even with the subsidies many can receive.
Then Turner explains the consequences:

If young people don’t sign up, the insurance pools are likely to be composed primarily of people who have high health costs. This could cause a “death spiral” where many more older — and sicker — people are enrolled, causing health insurance premiums to rise to cover their medical costs, thereby driving even more young people out of the market.

This is the basics behind ObamaCare and illustrates the necessity (at least from the policy point of view) for the law's individual mandate. The deal isn't a good one... Otherwise there would be no need to force people to buy into it.

It's simply common sense: If ObamaCare is more and better insurance for more people, then how could that possibly cost less? It's not a question of whether prices will go up; the question is who pays.

Now ObamaCare supporters want to backtrack and reverse their position. When Pelosi said, "Everybody will have lower rates," she clearly wasn't thinking of America's youth.

But who can blame her? She was waiting on the law to pass so she could find out what was in it.
http://www.iwf.org/blog/2791472/ObamaCare's-Young-and-Restless
 
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