3-Year-Old Colorado Boy Dies From Accidental Gunshot

[Jarod]

Every year, 250,000 plus children are involved in car accidents resulting in 2,000 plus deaths each year.

Are we going to arrest these parents for their reckless behavior? Are we going to ban cars? Are we going to see a thread everytime a child dies in a car accident?

Threads like these are intended for gullible dullards who seldom excersize their brains and moronically think that gun laws stop criminals and that banning guns will make us all safer. They are the arguments of gullible naive dimwits and don't deserve to be taken seriously; EVER.

1. Cars must be registered with the State.
2. To operate a Car one must carry liability insurance.
3. In many states, the owner of a car, because it is deemed a "dangerous instrumentality" is automatically responsible for any injury or death resulting from the operation of that vehicle, regardless of who is operating the vehicle.
4. We have countless rules regulating the use of cars and spend billions enforcing those rules.
5. There are criminal penalties for endangering a child with a car.
6. If you are intoxicated while driving a car with a person under 16 as an occupant you will suffer enhanced penalties and DCF will be called to do an investigation.
7. If you violate too many of these rules too often your licence to operate a car will be taken from you.

 

[Truth Detector]

1. Cars must be registered with the State.
2. To operate a Car one must carry liability insurance.
3. In many states, the owner of a car, because it is deemed a "dangerous instrumentality" is automatically responsible for any injury or death resulting from the operation of that vehicle, regardless of who is operating the vehicle.
4. We have countless rules regulating the use of cars and spend billions enforcing those rules.
5. There are criminal penalties for endangering a child with a car.
6. If you are intoxicated while driving a car with a person under 16 as an occupant you will suffer enhanced penalties and DCF will be called to do an investigation.
7. If you violate too many of these rules too often your licence to operate a car will be taken from you.

Another dimwitted dullard post desperately searching for a point.

 

[bowserb]

You guys have convinced me. We do not need a law requiring a person to have a gun safe to own a gun. We have sufficient laws to provide for arrest, charging, prosecution and conviction of a person who allows a gun to be in the hands of a child or mental deficient, resulting in injury or death.

I'm pretty sure we have enough rules, regulations and taxes on the manufacture and sale of guns, as well. One radio show I heard--I think it was Tom Gresham's Gun Talk--reported that the total impact of regulations and taxes on guns accounted for around a third of the price of a gun--which is then still subject to state and local sales taxes and federal transfer tax. So that $600 Glock could cost $400 were it not for regs and taxes. (Actually, it could still cost $400. Glock's factory is so efficient, they have to artificially inflate their selling price so their guns won't seem cheap. Source: Glock: The Rise of America's Gun, by Paul Barrett.)

Laws requiring people to do something or act responsibly, are useless. The law in Texas requires auto liability insurance, yet according to HPD, 60% of the cars involved in accidents in Houston involve uninsured vehicles. The new health care law "requires" everyone to buy health insurance, although the penalty for not buying health insurance in 2014 is $95. Let's see, $600 a month or $95 for the whole year? Oh yes, that's gonna work!

There is no changing the way things are. 60,000 people will die in auto accidents this year. 12,000 will die from guns. There are no statistics for how many lives will be saved by automobiles or saved by guns. For all I know, it's all a break even deal, and 72,000 people are going to die next year, not counting from chronic diseases, whether we have cars and guns or not. Some of them will be children. Some of them will be criminals. According to Wikipedia, guns are used in personal defense at least 65,000 times a year. Many of those cases are where the guns are equalizers: Big strong criminal vs little old weak citizen. With a gun, the criminal dies. Without the gun, the citizen dies. One death, either way.

Now I'm off to the shooting range. Houston has one range with 600 yard targets. It's both shooting practice and a cardio workout, since you have to walk fast or run 1200 yards (3/4 mile) retrieving and replacing targets during the short cease fire.

 

[bowserb]

Oh yes, I forgot to mention. Two thirds of all gun deaths in the U.S. are suicides. Would taking away guns stop those? Ask the Japanese, where there are no guns but the suicide rate is 83% higher than in the U.S.

 

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"The tub controls should be accessible from both inside and outside the tub and be located between the rim of the bathtub and 33 inches above the floor."

A quote from a book I have regarding sample building codes.

So again... NOTHING regulating the USE of the product by the consumer. Just codes on installation of the product. Funny how you keep ducking the issue Garud.

 

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The City of Santa Clara Building code...

"Shower and Tub-Shower Control Valves
Control valves shall be pressure balance, thermostatic, or combination of pressure balance/thermostatic
mixing valves. Handle position stops shall be provided on such valves and shall be adjusted per the
manufacturer’s instructions to deliver a maximum mixed water setting of 120 oF. (CPC 418.0)"

LMAO... more building codes from Garud... who is obviously quite aware by now, these codes do NOTHING to regulate the use of the tub by consumers.

 

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So again... NOTHING regulating the USE of the product by the consumer. Just codes on installation of the product. Funny how you keep ducking the issue Garud.

It's simple; he really is THAT stupid.

 

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1. Cars must be registered with the State.
2. To operate a Car one must carry liability insurance.
3. In many states, the owner of a car, because it is deemed a "dangerous instrumentality" is automatically responsible for any injury or death resulting from the operation of that vehicle, regardless of who is operating the vehicle.
4. We have countless rules regulating the use of cars and spend billions enforcing those rules.
5. There are criminal penalties for endangering a child with a car.
6. If you are intoxicated while driving a car with a person under 16 as an occupant you will suffer enhanced penalties and DCF will be called to do an investigation.
7. If you violate too many of these rules too often your licence to operate a car will be taken from you.

again Garud... there are also rules on where and when you can use a gun legally. There are background checks required when purchasing a gun through a licensed dealer (federal law... something a lawyer should understand). There are penalties for using a gun that violates the laws in place. There are penalties for reckless endangerment with a firearm. There are laws on negligence. If you get convicted of a felony, you lose your right to own a gun.

 

[christiefan915]

How many times do we have to say that we are not arguing that the two are =?

I am saying quite clearly, that almost ANYTHING, if used irresponsibly can lead to a childs death. That you cannot legislate away irresponsible behavior. No matter how many laws, how many warning labels... a small minority of people will STILL be irresponsible. What part of that is it that confuses you so much?

I'm not confused. I'm pointing out that guns were invented to kill. Cars, bathtubs, etc. were not.

 

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I'm not confused. I'm pointing out that guns were invented to kill. Cars, bathtubs, etc. were not.

Yet you continue pretending that we are saying the two things are identical, which is not even remotely close to what anyone has said. We have stated time and again that you CANNOT LEGISLATE AWAY IRRESPONSIBLE BEHAVIOR. Whether it be with a gun, a bathtub, a car. You can have laws to punish people for doing so after the fact, but there is no law that is going to stop a small minority of people from being irresponsible. None. Yet you continue to pretend that there is...

 

[The Dude]

There absolutely is proof of less guns equals less murder!

 

[christiefan915]

Yet you continue pretending that we are saying the two things are identical, which is not even remotely close to what anyone has said. We have stated time and again that you CANNOT LEGISLATE AWAY IRRESPONSIBLE BEHAVIOR. Whether it be with a gun, a bathtub, a car. You can have laws to punish people for doing so after the fact, but there is no law that is going to stop a small minority of people from being irresponsible. None. Yet you continue to pretend that there is...

Then why are you guys even comparing the two? Why don't you use other weapons in your analogies, it would make a lot more sense than bathtubs, cars etc. My whole point is about comparing equals, not apples and oranges. Weapons to weapons, baby furniture to other furniture, etc.

 

[Lorca]

Cars are required to be registered by the State. To use a car you must be licenced by the state and illustrate a minimum level of competence. TO manufacture a car to sell in the United States it must contain countless safety features and must be designed in a particular way to promote safety. There are countless rules about where you can operate a car and how you can operate a car, we pay billions to enforce these rules. Alas, MADD and other traffic safety groups are fighting for even more such rules and regulations.

As a result of these rules and regulations the number of people maimed and injured in car accidents has dropped drastically.

We need cars to operate in current society in most parts of the country. Some people feel they need guns to live safely in some parts of the country. Both are dangerous if used incorrectly, however, many fight to keep gun ownership and operation fully unfettered and unregulated.

Its a choice as a society we make, we pay a price for our actions. Currently we have a tolerance for regulations on cars and lives are being saved. Currently we do not have much tolerance for regulations on guns and lives are being risked. Its a balance and where we draw that line shows where and what we are willing to pay.

We could ban cars and prevent most car related deaths, but that is a price we are unwilling to pay.
We could stop some percentage of gun deaths via better regulation, but that is a price we are unwilling to pay.

You dont have a right to 'own' a car, you do have a right to own a gun. So that's one major difference.

And cars are regulated and tracked so that the govt can collect lots of taxes off of them. Cars interact with other cars... millions, every day. There needs to be some standard of safety for operating them.

How many people are 'accidentally' operating guns unsafely? Very few and when they do, it's usually themselves that they injure. People operating cars have accidents all the time so all that regulating and restriction....STILL FREAKIN' dangerous....you are in far far more danger from someone in a car EVERY DAY than you are from a gun and the data proves it. Esp. from ACCIDENTAL gun injuries. As for gun crime, something intentional, well, you have options for protecting yourself against that...including a GUN.

You just want to RESTRICT gun OWNERSHIP....that has almost nothing to do with safe operation.

 

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Then why are you guys even comparing the two? Why don't you use other weapons in your analogies, it would make a lot more sense than bathtubs, cars etc. My whole point is about comparing equals, not apples and oranges. Weapons to weapons, baby furniture to other furniture, etc.

It is to show that just about anything, if used irresponsibly can lead to death. If I used other weapons as a comparison, would I not then hear from the left... 'well, duh, those are weapons too'???

It has NOTHING to do with comparing 'equals'. Comparing a gun to a knife is not comparing equals either.

I can't help but notice that you haven't offered up a suggestion for a law that would eliminate irresponsible behavior. Why is that?

 

[Lorca]

LMAO... what regulations on bathtub use are out there Jarod?

I wont have a bathtub in this house! They are death traps!

Showers only, we are civilized people in our family and we do not live in fear. We dont need a bathtub.

 

[Lorca]

I never said just use, that was your word... not mine.

In fact when I gave examples of what regulations we could have to save kids from gun deaths, most of them were regarding design....

So we agree...neither is dangerous if not used.

Works for me.

 

[Lorca]

I'm not confused. I'm pointing out that guns were invented to kill. Cars, bathtubs, etc. were not.

So? Isnt that important if someone is trying to kill you?

Is self-defense not a legitimate right?

(I can also argue that guns were not invented to kill, but let's see where this takes us first.)

 

[Lorca]

Then why are you guys even comparing the two? Why don't you use other weapons in your analogies, it would make a lot more sense than bathtubs, cars etc. My whole point is about comparing equals, not apples and oranges. Weapons to weapons, baby furniture to other furniture, etc.

None of those are equal either. You and Jarod just choose to avoid seeing the commonalities.

 

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Still no suggestions from the gun takers?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

1. Cars must be registered with the State.
2. To operate a Car one must carry liability insurance.
3. In many states, the owner of a car, because it is deemed a "dangerous instrumentality" is automatically responsible for any injury or death resulting from the operation of that vehicle, regardless of who is operating the vehicle.
4. We have countless rules regulating the use of cars and spend billions enforcing those rules.
5. There are criminal penalties for endangering a child with a car.
6. If you are intoxicated while driving a car with a person under 16 as an occupant you will suffer enhanced penalties and DCF will be called to do an investigation.
7. If you violate too many of these rules too often your licence to operate a car will be taken from you.

Which of those laws prevented one of the deaths that have occurred from accidents?