Gay Teen Who Ripped Out Bible Pages Suspended by Texas School

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A gay teen who was suspended by the Birdville Independent School District in Texas after ripping out pages of his Bible to protest anti-gay bullying got some help from the American Humanist Association this week. The organization sent the school district a formal compliant, charging them with violating the boy’s First Amendment rights.


According to an article on the Huffington Post, Isaiah Smith, a gay Christian teen, said that fellow students repeatedly told him that "being gay is a sin" and "gays go to hell." So during first period class on Oct. 28, he took out his personal Bible and tore out portions of the notoriously anti-gay Leviticus, saying that he did not believe the Bible should condemn gays.


Smith was sent to the assistant principal, who first told the boy he could carry the Bible around, but several days later called Smith to his office and reportedly asked him, "How would Muslims feel if a student was tearing up the Qur-an?" The assistant principal confiscated Smith’s Bible and suspended him for three days.


"This is a clear violation of Isaiah’s First Amendment rights," said Monica Miller, an attorney and legal consultant with the Appignani Humanist Legal Center, the legal arm of the American Humanist Association. "The only explanation for this kind of punishment is that it was religiously motivated, because he expressed different beliefs on the Bible than those held by school officials. There’s no legal basis for that kind of reaction."


A letter from the American Humanist Association, cited the case Tinker v. Des Moines Indep. Cmty. Sch. District, in which the Supreme Court declared that, "It can hardly be argued that either students or teachers shed their constitutional rights to freedom or speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate."


The organization said that Smith was being reprimanded for carrying around his torn Bible as an expression of tolerance toward gays. The American Humanist Association is calling upon the school to either allow all students to carry torn versions of the Bible and other books, or forbid all students from carrying religious texts to school. They are also demanding that Smith’s suspension be expunged from his record, under possible threat of a lawsuit.
 
One of the things that makes us the USA and not Iran or Saudi Arabia is that we allow freedom of speech and do not protect religious books over and above the right to speak your mind.

Are any conservatives going to comment here?
 
At least he did not get arrested for destroying the Bible.

[h=1]Florida pastor faces felony after threats to burn Korans on 9/11[/h]
http://news.yahoo.com/florida-pastor-faces-felony-threats-burn-korans-9-024409034.html

Guess freedom of speech only applies if your gay and destroying a Bible. If you happen to be white and want to destroy a Koran, you are arrested

Freedom of speech has limits(or should have). Especially if it causes public incitement of hatred. It is a criminal offense.

Do you consider this act to be a hate act against Christianity?
 
Jones and Sapp Jr. were each charged with unlawful conveyance of fuel, a felony, Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd said in a statement. Jones was also charged with a misdemeanor of openly carrying a firearm.
 
I think it would have been acceptable to suspend this kid if he had brought kerosene to school in a way that showed little regard for other students safety.
 
Freedom of speech has limits(or should have). Especially if it causes public incitement of hatred. It is a criminal offense.

Do you consider this act to be a hate act against Christianity?

Hmm. The article does not say this but it could be one possible basis for the school's suspending him.

In which case...'inciting hatred'...the other people teasing the kid should have been suspended too.
 
Hmm. The article does not say this but it could be one possible basis for the school's suspending him.

In which case...'inciting hatred'...the other people teasing the kid should have been suspended too.

Don't get me wrong. I support anti-gay bullying or any type of anti-bullying. Though if this guy were to rip pages out of a Bible and some kids were offended by it, and beat the snot out of him/her/it(lol). Would they arrest the kids? Then you get the parents involved and then it starts getting ugly. Which is why this law was passed to begin with. To prevent these things from snowballing. The best thing to do in these cases is to charge/or suspend the inciter. Which is the gay guy. SInce gay bashing is not a criminal offence? It should be up to the school to punish the kids for gay bashing.
 
Isn't bullying against the law in the US? Our schools (insofar as they are not being destroyed by the tory class-offensive) tend to be much concerned with this problem. But why tear up Bibles? - my favourite kid round here, a small person, knocked nails in a club and went looking for the buggers. I buy him a pint whenever we meet! :)
 
Don't get me wrong. I support anti-gay bullying or any type of anti-bullying. Though if this guy were to rip pages out of a Bible and some kids were offended by it, and beat the snot out of him/her/it(lol). Would they arrest the kids? Then you get the parents involved and then it starts getting ugly. Which is why this law was passed to begin with. To prevent these things from snowballing. The best thing to do in these cases is to charge/or suspend the inciter. Which is the gay guy. SInce gay bashing is not a criminal offence? It should be up to the school to punish the kids for gay bashing.

What law? And IF that was the reason for suspending the gay kid, then those grounds also apply to the kids who abused him for being gay.
 
Isn't bullying against the law in the US? Our schools (insofar as they are not being destroyed by the tory class-offensive) tend to be much concerned with this problem. But why tear up Bibles? - my favourite kid round here, a small person, knocked nails in a club and went looking for the buggers. I buy him a pint whenever we meet! :)

Nope. What's even worse is the hazing in their college systems.....No wonder America has so many serial killers.......
 
What law? And IF that was the reason for suspending the gay kid, then those grounds also apply to the kids who abused him for being gay.

In Canada it' called,

Public incitement of hatred
319. (1) Every one who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of
(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Yes, the gay kid should have contacted the proper authorities. If he did so and nothing was done? Then I can understand the ripping of the Bible pages out of frustration.....I just believe there may have been something more civil he could have done. There are many groups out there that will step in.
 
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http://www.edgeboston.com/news/nati...ped_out_bible_pages_suspended_by_texas_school

A gay teen who was suspended by the Birdville Independent School District in Texas after ripping out pages of his Bible to protest anti-gay bullying got some help from the American Humanist Association this week. The organization sent the school district a formal compliant, charging them with violating the boy’s First Amendment rights.


According to an article on the Huffington Post, Isaiah Smith, a gay Christian teen, said that fellow students repeatedly told him that "being gay is a sin" and "gays go to hell." So during first period class on Oct. 28, he took out his personal Bible and tore out portions of the notoriously anti-gay Leviticus, saying that he did not believe the Bible should condemn gays.


Smith was sent to the assistant principal, who first told the boy he could carry the Bible around, but several days later called Smith to his office and reportedly asked him, "How would Muslims feel if a student was tearing up the Qur-an?" The assistant principal confiscated Smith’s Bible and suspended him for three days.


"This is a clear violation of Isaiah’s First Amendment rights," said Monica Miller, an attorney and legal consultant with the Appignani Humanist Legal Center, the legal arm of the American Humanist Association. "The only explanation for this kind of punishment is that it was religiously motivated, because he expressed different beliefs on the Bible than those held by school officials. There’s no legal basis for that kind of reaction."


A letter from the American Humanist Association, cited the case Tinker v. Des Moines Indep. Cmty. Sch. District, in which the Supreme Court declared that, "It can hardly be argued that either students or teachers shed their constitutional rights to freedom or speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate."


The organization said that Smith was being reprimanded for carrying around his torn Bible as an expression of tolerance toward gays. The American Humanist Association is calling upon the school to either allow all students to carry torn versions of the Bible and other books, or forbid all students from carrying religious texts to school. They are also demanding that Smith’s suspension be expunged from his record, under possible threat of a lawsuit.
Homosexuals and the Word of God don't mix.
 
Don't get me wrong. I support anti-gay bullying or any type of anti-bullying. Though if this guy were to rip pages out of a Bible and some kids were offended by it, and beat the snot out of him/her/it(lol). Would they arrest the kids? Then you get the parents involved and then it starts getting ugly. Which is why this law was passed to begin with. To prevent these things from snowballing. The best thing to do in these cases is to charge/or suspend the inciter. Which is the gay guy. SInce gay bashing is not a criminal offence? It should be up to the school to punish the kids for gay bashing.

What law? The fact that uncivilized Christians might break the law in response to his speech act does not justify limiting his speech. This is the very reason for the first amendment.

If they had suspended him for disrupting his class that would have been different. But in this case they did it after the fact, apparently for carrying the bible.
 
Isn't bullying against the law in the US? Our schools (insofar as they are not being destroyed by the tory class-offensive) tend to be much concerned with this problem. But why tear up Bibles? - my favourite kid round here, a small person, knocked nails in a club and went looking for the buggers. I buy him a pint whenever we meet! :)

Man you are a real class warrior. No wonder Wales is so poor when the educational system is so shitty, you can thank 13 years of bloody Labour for that! Wales is the Detroit of the UK.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-11930257
 
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