MI veto-proof ‘rape insurance’ close to becoming law w/ 4.2% voter approval

christiefan915 said:
We could start with your comments that you're an equal-opportunity basher when your posts show that you're way more critical of liberals than conservatives.
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it's not my fault that there are currently more liberals jacking around and fucking shit up than there are conservatives, but then again you are like most other far lefties and righties here and lump me in on the other side as it suits you to avoid acknowledging i'm a Libertarian.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
this is not necessarily correct. if a state constitution provides greater protection of a right or a stricter prohibition of law, then the courts will generally side with the state.
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sure of this are you?

actually i am not worried too much yet, as my wife and i both use medicare...
 
SmarterthanYou said:
most Libertarians believe it's a state issue and should be decided state per state.
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Have you read your platform lately? Everything in it is about individual rights and disdain for the state.

"We, the members of the Libertarian Party, challenge the cult of the omnipotent state and defend the rights of the individual.

We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose."
 
SmarterthanYou said:
it's not my fault that there are currently more liberals jacking around and fucking shit up than there are conservatives, but then again you are like most other far lefties and righties here and lump me in on the other side as it suits you to avoid acknowledging i'm a Libertarian.
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I never once said you weren't a Libertarian, just that you are not an equal-opportunity critic. And your comment about "more liberals jacking around..." is ludicrous when one looks at the facts.
 
Superfreak said:
Try reading Mutt. It is ABORTION coverage. Period. Not specifically rape. It is if you want abortion coverage, you can choose to add it. But no one is forced to have coverage which in essence shares the costs of killing kids... some of us find that abhorrent.
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Again, that's a specious argument. No one is forced to carry insurance for irresponsible behavior, like breaking a leg while skiing, some of us find that abhorrent.
 
Superfreak said:
Try reading Mutt. It is ABORTION coverage. Period. Not specifically rape. It is if you want abortion coverage, you can choose to add it. But no one is forced to have coverage which in essence shares the costs of killing kids... some of us find that abhorrent.
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some of find your posts abhorrent. also, the aca was passed by a majority of the house and senate and signed into law by the president.

it would require the same process only in reverse to repeal it.

your problem is that as it takes more and more effect that more and more people like it.

oh well
 
christiefan915 said:
It's about the crime of rape and a possible resulting pregnancy. Are you saying it's okay for the victim to get screwed by the system?
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No, that is simply the line of crap the left is trying to feed everyone. It is about ABORTION coverage. Period. Calling it 'rape insurance' is simply the way the left will sensationalize this and create a straw man to demonize the initiative.

So enough of the victim card. It is about whether or not a person should be FORCED to have abortion coverage. This initiative says NO ONE can be FORCED to have abortion coverage, but people CAN CHOOSE to have abortion coverage if they WANT IT.
 
christiefan915 said:
Well as my thread title and initial comments state, it's about a minority group pushing this into law.
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Yes, I saw that, but again, I am not up to speed on how Michigan law works. Though if it is somehow a 'law' created by getting signatures, I do not approve of the method in which this became a 'law'. Again, I was speaking to the CONTENT, not the method. I do disagree with the method if it is indeed a law now based on sigs of a tiny minority of voters.
 
evince said:
wait until you figure out that gays get a great deal with the new dick insurance laws
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Gays will be exempt....I don't think you can get prego from swallowing, but its better to ask our
experienced members like Poet and Howey....
 
Don Quixote said:
sure of this are you?

actually i am not worried too much yet, as my wife and i both use medicare...
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I can't speak for medical related issues at this point, but I'm aware of some cases where the USSC denied QI to some cops for violating a fourth amendment right of unreasonable search and seizure based upon the wordiing of the state's 4th Amendment while the cops tried to argue the US 4th Amendment. that's just one of a few i've researched over the last year or so.
 
christiefan915 said:
Have you read your platform lately? Everything in it is about individual rights and disdain for the state.

"We, the members of the Libertarian Party, challenge the cult of the omnipotent state and defend the rights of the individual.

We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose."
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yes, I know this. It also happens to rely a great deal on each STATE constitution and what powers that the state has conferred upon them by the people. Thus, it is up to the states.
 
christiefan915 said:
I never once said you weren't a Libertarian, just that you are not an equal-opportunity critic. And your comment about "more liberals jacking around..." is ludicrous when one looks at the facts.
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then you should stop ignoring all the threads where I take USF or DY to task for their conservative idiocy with regards to state power. just sayin
 
christiefan915 said:
Have you read your platform lately? Everything in it is about individual rights and disdain for the state.

"We, the members of the Libertarian Party, challenge the cult of the omnipotent state and defend the rights of the individual.

We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose."
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that sounds more like anarchy than anything else
 
SmarterthanYou said:
it's not my fault that there are currently more liberals jacking around and fucking shit up than there are conservatives, but then again you are like most other far lefties and righties here and lump me in on the other side as it suits you to avoid acknowledging i'm a Libertarian.
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i thought that we live in a democratic republic where whosoever controls the house, senate and presidency makes the laws and then scotus gets a shot at them if a suit is brought through the courts
 
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