Kirk Cameron says don't explain... train. Because religion is about obedience.

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I really think this is why Christians are mostly a bunch of idiots that are subservient to the state, their mommies and daddies. Also, IMO, this is why they get so offended if you insult the dead, their traditions, morals and ignorant notions.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friend...ever-ever-explain-anything-to-their-children/

Actor and Crocoduck-creating super-Christian Kirk Cameron is promoting a “great article” on his website that offers rather questionable advice for parents: Never explain things to your kids; just teach them to obey:
Children are not in need of lengthy, compelling explanations. What they are in need of is the understanding that God must be obeyed.​
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Explanations tend to focus on getting someone to agree with you. The logic for explanations runs something like this: If I can just get my children to understand the reason for my direction, then they will be more likely to follow my instruction. While this may sound like solid reasoning, it is not. Explanations are more consistent with gaining approval and winning arguments. Neither of these are appropriate goals for biblical parenting and can lead to anger in your children as Ephesians warns against.


The actual article, by Jay Younts, goes much further, stating that the no-explanations model of parenting should continue through kids’ teenage years:
Children from 6-12 must be encouraged to obey because they know this pleases God. Your discussions will be more involved than with young children, but again you are not trying to win their approval. You want them to grasp how important it is to trust God and the reliability of his word. This type of training will yield a conscience that is sensitive to the things of God.

It doesn’t take much insight to realize that teenagers and long explanations don’t go well together. Obedience with teenagers is to be primarily be focused on helping them see the value of following God because they love him and that God’s ways are the only ones that can be trusted. Your goal is to have conversations not explanations.


Because if there’s one thing teenagers know how to do, it’s obeying authority…

This is just awful advice, no matter how you slice it. Children need to learn how to question, how to reason, and how to think through the consequences of their actions. I know parents would love it if their kids obeyed their every word, but at some point, those kids also need to learn why you think the way you do. There are reasons for why they need to come home by a certain time, and why they should share their toys, and why they shouldn’t draw on the wall with crayons that go well beyond “Because I said so.” A well-reasoned explanation, at least in theory, should help them understand where you’re coming from and give them more of an incentive to follow your rules. Does it always work? Of course not. But it sure as hell has a better chance of succeeding than “Do what we say or else the Baby Jesus will cry.”

There’s a time and place for kids to listen to you without asking questions. That time and place sure as hell isn’t “always.”

It makes sense coming from Cameron, though. Questions lead to learning. Learning leads to even more critical thinking. And that never ends well for anyone who promotes Creationism.
 
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I really think this is why Christians are all a bunch of idiots that are subservient to the state, their mommies and daddies. Also, IMO, this is why they get so offended if you insult the dead, their traditions, morals and ignorant notions.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friend...ever-ever-explain-anything-to-their-children/

Actor and Crocoduck-creating super-Christian Kirk Cameron is promoting a “great article” on his website that offers rather questionable advice for parents: Never explain things to your kids; just teach them to obey:


Children are not in need of lengthy, compelling explanations. What they are in need of is the understanding that God must be obeyed.​
…​
Explanations tend to focus on getting someone to agree with you. The logic for explanations runs something like this: If I can just get my children to understand the reason for my direction, then they will be more likely to follow my instruction. While this may sound like solid reasoning, it is not. Explanations are more consistent with gaining approval and winning arguments. Neither of these are appropriate goals for biblical parenting and can lead to anger in your children as Ephesians warns against.

The actual article, by Jay Younts, goes much further, stating that the no-explanations model of parenting should continue through kids’ teenage years:


Children from 6-12 must be encouraged to obey because they know this pleases God. Your discussions will be more involved than with young children, but again you are not trying to win their approval. You want them to grasp how important it is to trust God and the reliability of his word. This type of training will yield a conscience that is sensitive to the things of God.

It doesn’t take much insight to realize that teenagers and long explanations don’t go well together. Obedience with teenagers is to be primarily be focused on helping them see the value of following God because they love him and that God’s ways are the only ones that can be trusted. Your goal is to have conversations not explanations.

Because if there’s one thing teenagers know how to do, it’s obeying authority…

This is just awful advice, no matter how you slice it. Children need to learn how to question, how to reason, and how to think through the consequences of their actions. I know parents would love it if their kids obeyed their every word, but at some point, those kids also need to learn why you think the way you do. There are reasons for why they need to come home by a certain time, and why they should share their toys, and why they shouldn’t draw on the wall with crayons that go well beyond “Because I said so.” A well-reasoned explanation, at least in theory, should help them understand where you’re coming from and give them more of an incentive to follow your rules. Does it always work? Of course not. But it sure as hell has a better chance of succeeding than “Do what we say or else the Baby Jesus will cry.”

There’s a time and place for kids to listen to you without asking questions. That time and place sure as hell isn’t “always.”

It makes sense coming from Cameron, though. Questions lead to learning. Learning leads to even more critical thinking. And that never ends well for anyone who promotes Creationism.


The socially conservative Christians are a very vocal minority, do not judge all Christians for their idiotic wacko behavior.
 
Christi you're a Christian right? Do you agree with this comment from String?

"I really think this is why Christians are all a bunch of idiots that are subservient to the state, their mommies and daddies. Also, IMO, this is why they get so offended if you insult the dead, their traditions, morals and ignorant notions."
 
Christi you're a Christian right? Do you agree with this comment from String?

"I really think this is why Christians are all a bunch of idiots that are subservient to the state, their mommies and daddies. Also, IMO, this is why they get so offended if you insult the dead, their traditions, morals and ignorant notions."

I don't think all Christians are a bunch of idiots, etc. That's a broad brush portrayal. I think most Christians just lead their lives quietly and privately and don't try to shove their beliefs down others' throats. My being a Christian doesn't mean I'm blind to what the fringe element does.

I have a problem with people like Cameron and his followers who cloak their discrimination and narrow-mindedness with Bible verses.
 
Oh look, String is bashing Christians again... what a shock.

So, do you think Cameron's advice is good parental advice?

This method was used on us in parochial school, pray, and obey, for the girls we were to look to Mary as our example, she did God's will without question.

This mindset was used to molest many children. You didn't and shouldn't question authority.

Shameful.

Kirk Cameron is always good for a laugh, unfortunately some people take him seriously.
 
The socially conservative Christians are a very vocal minority, do not judge all Christians for their idiotic wacko behavior.

Even though a minority, they seem to have a huge influence, the fight against Evolution proves how influential they are. Politicians refer to them as "the base"
 
So, do you think Cameron's advice is good parental advice?

This method was used on us in parochial school, pray, and obey, for the girls we were to look to Mary as our example, she did God's will without question.

This mindset was used to molest many children. You didn't and shouldn't question authority.

Shameful.

Kirk Cameron is always good for a laugh, unfortunately some people take him seriously.

Cameron has those patriarchal views that go down well with ultra-conservative mullahs, not so much with our society.
 
No, I think he is an idiot. But that again doesn't excuse String for using Cameron to bash ALL Christians.

Why do the majority let this small minority have so much say?

I think it is good to point out this small but very powerful fringe
 
Oh look, superfreak, is demanding that the religious get a free pass for their stupid ideas again.

No, that is not what SF said.

I think what SF is doing is treating your obvious hatred for all things Christian like he would the fundamentalist Christian's bashing of anything that doesn't follow their beliefs. In other words, Xtian bashing is no different than the "You will burn in hell for that!" nonsense.

Or I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.
 
No, that is not what SF said.

I think what SF is doing is treating your obvious hatred for all things Christian like he would the fundamentalist Christian's bashing of anything that doesn't follow their beliefs. In other words, Xtian bashing is no different than the "You will burn in hell for that!" nonsense.

Or I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.

No, that is precisely what I meant. He bashes Christians in general because of one moron's comments.
 
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