Dunn trial begins in Florida

False, a jury verdict and justice are not the same thing. Juries sometimes make mistakes and laws are sometimes unjust.

But your reply was just an apparent attempt to dance around what I posted.
Have you now become the arbitrator of what is and isn't justice.
 
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Bottom line: you have WITNESSES who will be giving testimony. Also, it seems Dunn and his lawyer have thrown the girlfriend under the bus with extreme prejudice.

I'm staying the hell out of Florida, because the SAME cast of characters in the local judiciary that gave us the Zimmerman debacle are involved in this one.....so if some flabby white guy doesn't like my looks or whatever I'm doing, he can eventually blow my brains out and then claim some weak ass version of "stand your ground". Jeezus.


Yeah dunce; stay out of Florida if you plan to threaten any flabby white guys like a dumbass thug. Otherwise, you are perfectly safe.

Moron.

Do you actually comprehend what people write in the context of the discussion? Or are you really this damned stupid?

READ, you simpleton, READ! Did I say I was going to threaten someone? Nope. But as in Zimmerman and Dunn, it was these flabby white guys who felt threatened or annoyed or suspicious enough to initiate a chain of events that resulted in them shooting UNARMED black kids, and then point out some lame ass version of "stand your ground.

If you're interested, there's a video of Dunn's original questioning by the cops...check it out because that story is SO full of holes when compared to the evidence to date a mouse would think it Swiss cheese! Like I said, the eye witnesses testimonies will be interesting, and I wonder what the girl friend will say now that she's been kicked to the curb by the lawyer?

But if YOU have nothing to add but Limbaugh/Levine retorts and rhetoric, I won't waste my time responding further to you.
 
No, I don't feel that way. I simply believe a threat without apparent ability to carry it out, without something more, is justification to kill a kid.

If you kill someone because you claim you thought he had a gun, you better have had a good reason to have been mistaken about the gun or you should be going to jail.

Care to expand on your comment as to what "apparent ability" encompasses?
 
But your reply was just an apparent attempt to dance around what I posted.
Have you now become the arbitrator of what is and isn't justice.

I am the arbitrator of what my opinion is regarding justice in particular instances. I do not always agree that a verdict was justice.
 
Care to expand on your comment as to what "apparent ability" encompasses?

Sure, If someone points a gun at me and says, Im going to kill you. That person has apparent ability to kill me. If a guy in another car says, Im going to kill you, and he does not appear to have a gun, he does not have apparent ability. I guess the phrase should be "apparent present ability".

In the situation of the trial we are discussing, this guy could have driven away just as easily as pulled his gun out of the glove box, un-holstered it, and fired 7 shots.
 
I am the arbitrator of what my opinion is regarding justice in particular instances. I do not always agree that a verdict was justice.

So you really don't want to see "justice" done; but instead just want it to go the way you feel it should, regardless of what may be factual.
Now I understand.
 
Sure, If someone points a gun at me and says, Im going to kill you. That person has apparent ability to kill me. If a guy in another car says, Im going to kill you, and he does not appear to have a gun, he does not have apparent ability. I guess the phrase should be "apparent present ability".

In the situation of the trial we are discussing, this guy could have driven away just as easily as pulled his gun out of the glove box, un-holstered it, and fired 7 shots.

Using the word "appear", is kind of arbitrary and open to many different opinions.
Can you expand; because there have been many times someone's been shot by the Police for "appearance"?
 
Well then, kindly tell everyone what part of Jarod's version was wrong in your opinion?

Clear it up for everyone please.

Too dumb or lazy to look it up for yourself shit-for-brains?

Here; let me help you:


Dunn, dressed in a white shirt, green sweater and tie, said the music from a red Dodge Durango parked at the same gas station grew "really loud" after his fiancée went into the store.

"My review mirror was shaking, my eardrums were vibrating. It was ridiculously loud," Dunn said.

"I said, 'Can you turn that down please?'" he testified. "They turned it off. I said thank you."

But Dunn said the young men in the Durango soon began using expletives and then turned the volume back up.

"I was in fear for my life, but I wasn't to the point where I was ready to use deadly force. I was just going, 'Oh my God, where is all this hostility coming from?'" Dunn said.

Dunn said he opened fire only after seeing what looked like the barrel of a gun or a lead pipe through the Durango's back passenger window and Davis was about to get out of the car.

"As his (Davis's) head clears the window frame, he said ‘this shit's going down now,'" Dunn testified.


Not racial?

Because Dunn is white and Davis was black, some observers see similar parallels in the case to the fatal confrontation between Floridians George Zimmerman and black teen Trayvon Martin.

Those aren't my words, those are right from the news media.

What did the punks in the car testify?


Davis and his friends had been "girl shopping" at St. Johns Town Center mall before stopping at the gas station to buy gum and cigarettes Stornes, now 20, said the Durango was equipped with an amplifier and two 12-inch speakers, and they were listening to loud bass-thumping rap music.

Thompson, 18, testified that Dunn parked his Volkswagen Jetta close to the SUV. That's when Dunn said, "Turn your music down. I can't hear myself think." Thompson turned down the volume -- but Davis said, "(Expletive) that. Turn the music back up." So Thompson did.

Thompson said the verbal exchange continued, and Davis told Dunn, "(Expletive) you." Thompson said Dunn asked Jordan, "Are you talking to me?" reached for a gun and fired at Davis' door.

Brunson, 18, a backseat passenger, tried to pull Davis down to take cover. Afterward, Brunson called Davis' name and he didn't respond, so he checked his body to see if he had been shot. "When I reached and touched him, blood appeared on my fingers," Brunson said.


Now like I said, here is Jarod's version:

So, this guy shot and killed a 17 year old who was unarmed and inside a car, went home and ordered a pizza and did not call the police before being arrested the next day, and you don't know if he was ligit in his right to kill the kid or not?

That is a very one sided simplistic claim while suggesting that this is enough information for me to judge this guy.

That is absurd, painfuylly stupid and for you to even think that Jarod has a coherent argument with such simplistic one sided views illustrates that you are just as painfully stupid as he is.

Moron.
 
Using the word "appear", is kind of arbitrary and open to many different opinions.
Can you expand; because there have been many times someone's been shot by the Police for "appearance"?

I have to agree with you, police should have to live by the same standard.
 
It has become apparent that you see no need for the Courts to be involved in justice and that instead, it should be enforced by opinion.

NO, I don't agree with that opinion.

Are you saying that you believe that the OJ Simpson verdict was justice.
 
Closing arguments have started...

Conservatives, should this guy go free because he was defending himself, did he have that right?

Or..

Should he be convicted of murder?

What evidence is there that he was actually defending himself?
 
We have a good system to determine facts about things. And that system is set up to work toward justice, its a good system that often delivers justice. However, the results in individual cases are not always justice. Sometimes juries get it wrong, some laws are unjust.

Was segregation just?
 
What evidence is there that he was actually defending himself?

Well.. He testified he thought the kid had a gun. He testified that the kid said he was going to kill him. He testified the kid got out of his car and headed toward him.

That's about it.
 
So... First I was playing the race card.

Dear shit-for-brains; where did I say YOU played the race card. What I said was race is definitely a factor as the news media are making it such.

Dunce.

Then.. once I pointed out that you were the one to bring up the color of the victim I'm the idiot for not seeing that race is a factor here.

Wrong again shit-for-brains; I pointed out the dishonesty of your pretense that you care about justice while already adjudicating this man’s guilt and that race is indeed a factor.

Unfortunately you are stupid and dishonest and therefore cannot follow the debate with anything less than your usual attempts to fabricate strawmen to argue against them.

You are so transparent.

Wrong again shit-for-brains; it is YOU who are transparent and painfully dishonest. I’m the one suggesting to idiots like you that we wait to see what the jury decides. Apparently that will never be good enough for idiots like you and you feel compelled to arrogantly claim that you know better.

Personally, I do not think race has any bearing on this issue, the color of the parties is not relevant in my assessment of this case.

No one cares what you feel; I am merely pointing out what the media is doing you dunce.

Is it relevant in your assessment? Would you feel differently if the victim had been white and listening to classical music instead of "thug music"?

You might want to tell the media who have constantly referred to the Trayvon case in reporting this shit-for-brains.

Would it be as big of a story if it was a black man who shot the teen? Would it have been as big of a story if the shooter was black and the teens where white?

Those are the questions you should be asking. But what you refuse to acknowledge is that I am the one saying it all is irrelevant as we are not party to all the facts in the case and should wait to see what the JURY decides rather than prosecuting this man in the court of public opinion which was what happened in the Trayvon Martin case and we saw little remorse from the lefttards and media for their efforts to destroy someone who was innocent of the charges filed against him for purely political purposes.

If this man is found guilty; justice will be done. If he is found innocent; justice cannot be served because dunces like you and the leftist media have already deemed him a murderer and guilty much like you dunces did in the Trayvon Martin case.

Now run along; you’re too stupid to be wasting so much of my time with your weak dishonest attempts to fabricate your own version of these debates and the facts
 
Dear shit-for-brains; where did I say YOU played the race card. What I said was race is definitely a factor as the news media are making it such.

Dunce.



Wrong again shit-for-brains; I pointed out the dishonesty of your pretense that you care about justice while already adjudicating this man’s guilt and that race is indeed a factor.

Unfortunately you are stupid and dishonest and therefore cannot follow the debate with anything less than your usual attempts to fabricate strawmen to argue against them.



Wrong again shit-for-brains; it is YOU who are transparent and painfully dishonest. I’m the one suggesting to idiots like you that we wait to see what the jury decides. Apparently that will never be good enough for idiots like you and you feel compelled to arrogantly claim that you know better.



No one cares what you feel; I am merely pointing out what the media is doing you dunce.



You might want to tell the media who have constantly referred to the Trayvon case in reporting this shit-for-brains.

Would it be as big of a story if it was a black man who shot the teen? Would it have been as big of a story if the shooter was black and the teens where white?

Those are the questions you should be asking. But what you refuse to acknowledge is that I am the one saying it all is irrelevant as we are not party to all the facts in the case and should wait to see what the JURY decides rather than prosecuting this man in the court of public opinion which was what happened in the Trayvon Martin case and we saw little remorse from the lefttards and media for their efforts to destroy someone who was innocent of the charges filed against him for purely political purposes.

If this man is found guilty; justice will be done. If he is found innocent; justice cannot be served because dunces like you and the leftist media have already deemed him a murderer and guilty much like you dunces did in the Trayvon Martin case.

Now run along; you’re too stupid to be wasting so much of my time with your weak dishonest attempts to fabricate your own version of these debates and the facts

What does the media have to do with this?

Also... I can have an opinion about what the jury should do and about what the law should be. Sorry, you feel you cant have an opinion other than to trust the jury. Sometimes juries get it wrong, sometimes laws are unfair.
 
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