Dunn trial begins in Florida

Big Money said:
Because a white Ohioan made the comment as if something remarkable had happened - "articulate" Blacks don't raise thugs...therefore, a Black teen raised by "articulate" Black parents could not exhibit thuggish behavior.

Let me know if you need more enlightenment, would you?
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Just commenting on the bold. You do realize that you can be articulate and can be a thug. You also realize that being a thug has no correlation to how you can articulate verbs and nouns. It's called correct pronunciation of English. There are plenty of affluent people in the world that were raised in nice homes, neighborhoods, schools and commit so-called thuggish crimes (See Menendez Brothers).
 
To furthermore disprove Big Money's ignorant statement....

As you can say, I was "raised in the Hood" I spoke (and continue) to speak slang, but I'm also eloquent and articulate with words whether its verbiage or otherwise, I can still articulate myself clearly. Like any person who communicates to a specific population we all interchange between street slang and standard English depending on whom we're speaking with. But in no way does where you come from correlate to your use of English. There is however, a relationship between your grasp of English education and the ability to correctly enunciate words.
 
Sun Devil said:
Just commenting on the bold. You do realize that you can be articulate and can be a thug. You also realize that being a thug has no correlation to how you can articulate verbs and nouns. It's called correct pronunciation of English. There are plenty of affluent people in the world that were raised in nice homes, neighborhoods, schools and commit so-called thuggish crimes (See Menendez Brothers).
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I realize it, Sunny D.

The smug white Ohioan seems not to.

Mott the Hoople said:
After having seen the interview of Jordan Davis's family and listening to how articulate his parents are anyone buying into this "thug culture" nonsense is a bigot. Pure and simple. These are not the kind of people who raise a "thug".
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BTW - I believe that the system works a great majority of the time. My guess is there was a mistrial on murder because one or two jurists would not vote with the rest on that count.

Anyway, you will always find me telling people to wait for the trial. There are times where it is clearly wrong, but the great majority of the time they get it right.
 
Damocles said:
Did you believe he had a right to defend himself or were you one of the liberal cabal promoting his death sentence before he had a trial?
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First, I don't "promote" the death penalty ever. Second, I believe GZ was uber-stupid for leaving his vehicle to pursue TM. Third, I think TM had the right to stand his ground as much as GZ did. Fourth, I think putting TM's reputation on trial was ten times worse that criticizing GZ in advance of his trial.
 
christiefan915 said:
First, I don't "promote" the death penalty ever. Second, I believe GZ was uber-stupid for leaving his vehicle to pursue TM. Third, I think TM had the right to stand his ground as much as GZ did. Fourth, I think putting TM's reputation on trial was ten times worse that criticizing GZ in advance of his trial.
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STANDING YOUR GROUND
and
RETURNING TO ATTACK
are two different things that you really need to educate yourself on, prior to trying to make such comments. :palm:
 
christiefan915 said:
First, I don't "promote" the death penalty ever. Second, I believe GZ was uber-stupid for leaving his vehicle to pursue TM. Third, I think TM had the right to stand his ground as much as GZ did. Fourth, I think putting TM's reputation on trial was ten times worse that criticizing GZ in advance of his trial.
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I think saying that images of the injuries to GZ were putting TM's "reputation" on trial is continued political nonsense and that you, along with many other liberals, just threw away the justice system and assumed guilt because you wanted him to be guilty. The hypocrisy is nearly overwhelming. The courts are beneficent gods when making rulings on constitutionality, but when a Hispanic man shoots somebody the liberals want him railroaded.

I'll admit that the doctored NBC tape got me, at first I was all with you, however when later information came out and we found out that they tried to get him to look that way... Well, some people are able to take in and process new information better than others. I remember you, Darla, Rana, et al telling others how racist they were for simply wanting to wait for the trial and the verdict. How often we listened to that 911 tape... after finding out that NBC flat lied.
 
Damocles said:
BTW - I believe that the system works a great majority of the time. My guess is there was a mistrial on murder because one or two jurists would not vote with the rest on that count.

Anyway, you will always find me telling people to wait for the trial. There are times where it is clearly wrong, but the great majority of the time they get it right.
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And right or wrong, human nature means people are going to discuss and dissect the events whether it's fair or not or whether you like it or don't.
 
Damocles said:
I think saying that images of the injuries to GZ were putting TM's "reputation" on trial is continued political nonsense and that you, along with many other liberals, just threw away the justice system and assumed guilt because you wanted him to be guilty.

I'll admit that the doctored NBC tape got me, at first I was all with you, however when later information came out and we found out that they tried to get him to look that way... Well, some people are able to take and process new information better than others.
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Oh please. The first thing GZ supporters did was paint TM as a "thug" and drag his reputation through the mud. So none of you have any moral high ground to stand on.
 
christiefan915 said:
And right or wrong, human nature means people are going to discuss and dissect the events whether it's fair or not or whether you like it or don't.
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Dissect away, the assumption of guilt is where your nonsense lies. I like to talk about how I think the prosecution will try the case, what the defense will do... dissecting is good, as we get new information talking about it, good... assuming that everybody who thinks differently than you are racist and that the only thing that can happen is what you want... not so much.

I just don't "guess" at what the jury will do, because I know I will only see and hear a small part of what they hear. I think near the end, after closing arguments, talking about how you'd vote and why... good. Saying that somebody who would vote differently for their own reasons are racist... not so much.
 
christiefan915 said:
Oh please. The first thing GZ supporters did was paint TM as a "thug" and drag his reputation through the mud. So none of you have any moral high ground to stand on.
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Please go back to those threads and tell me where I did that, or even where "wait for the verdict" is "supporting" GZ. Prove your assertions about me or you will have already proven your own hypocrisy. When you can't argue, all you got is "yer a racist and think black peeepul are thugs"..

I argued that:

A). Trayvon had as much right to defend himself as GZ.
B). That did not mean that GZ would be found guilty as he too had that right.
and finally
C). That it was my opinion that it was a case where the rights of two people clashed creating a tragedy.
 
Damocles said:
Dissect away, the assumption of guilt is where your nonsense lies. I like to talk about how I think the prosecution will try the case, what the defense will do... dissecting is good, as we get new information talking about it, good... assuming that everybody who thinks differently than you are racist and that the only thing that can happen is what you want... not so much.

I just don't "guess" at what the jury will do, because I know I will only see and hear a small part of what they hear. I think near the end, after closing arguments, talking about how you'd vote and why... good. Saying that somebody who would vote differently for their own reasons are racist... not so much.
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My assumption of guilt was based on GZ shooting an unarmed person, and my not knowing there was such a thing as a stand your ground law in Florida. I understand the legal reasoning that got him acquitted, that got Casey Anthony acquitted, that got OJ Simpson acquitted, etc. but I don't have to like it.
 
christiefan915 said:
My assumption of guilt was based on GZ shooting an unarmed person, and my not knowing there was such a thing as a stand your ground law in Florida. I understand the legal reasoning that got him acquitted, that got Casey Anthony acquitted, that got OJ Simpson acquitted, etc. but I don't have to like it.
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SYG wasn't part of the Zimmerman case, or the Dunn case.
 
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