Transgenders and the issue of public restrooms

Taft2016 said:
How about this... what if a white male student believes that he was assigned the wrong external racial appearance, and that inside he is really an African American.

Should he be eligible for affirmative action assistance, school racial quota admissions, and racial set-asides? Why should he treated according to his body's physical appearance as opposed to what he identifies himself as?
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What a moronic example
 
Celticguy said:
No, moral is ever constant. Some ciuntries are amoral. Iran for example. Of course its not everyone there but if they tolerate this from their government then their silence is assent.
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Amoral from YOUR perspective, not from theirs.....just as they view the west as the great Satan and without morals.
You're entitles to your own opinion.....even if it seems to ignore reality...whats moral to you and whats moral to your neighbor can be totally different....and just
as valid to each of you......we can't change anyones views on what is moral or right or just....and I recognize that.
 
XLVIII DOMINATORS said:
This actually a very clever argument, as it gets to the root of these kinds of controversies.
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No it was a moronic example because

1) It alludes to the fact that all African-Americans benefit from affirmative action. I never did because I can personally attest I got in cause A) I graduated with honors B) I did research by a well-known researcher C) I'm a not so dumb guy

2) Statiscally, women benefit from affirmative action more than blacks

3) There is no scientific proof this happened

4) Hypothetically if this happened any organization that would award a benefit would look at the persons parents and if they are lily white, they would calmly tell the parents to check their child in to the nearest psych facility.
it and demonstrated that it was dumb
So no, his example was not clever. I refuted
 
Celticguy said:
It dawned on me that there is a fundamental problem with the thesis, there IS NO ISSUE here. If these people wish to be confused about themselves they are free to do so. But everyone else is not so encumbered.
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Transsexuality is not about confusion if your brain says red is green it means that red is green. There is no chemical imbalace the transsexual brain is normal
 
leaningright said:
I absolutely disagree. Morality doesn't change, society does. What was moral and immoral in the past is still moral and immoral now. People's views about it might have changed but morality itself hasn't.

Whether or not to take care of one's bathroom needs in the house or outside is not a question of morality.
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of course morality changes. morality is relative. there is no such thing as objective morality, it's all based on societies standards.
 
Sun Devil said:
No it was a moronic example because

1) It alludes to the fact that all African-Americans benefit from affirmative action. I never did because I can personally attest I got in cause A) I graduated with honors B) I did research by a well-known researcher C) I'm a not so dumb guy

2) Statiscally, women benefit from affirmative action more than blacks

3) There is no scientific proof this happened

4) Hypothetically if this happened any organization that would award a benefit would look at the persons parents and if they are lily white, they would calmly tell the parents to check their child in to the nearest psych facility.
it and demonstrated that it was dumb
So no, his example was not clever. I refuted
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Great post. :)
 
NOVA said:
So you gonna write or re-write a list of principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior......as only you see them....
Aren't you going to ask for input from some Jehovah Witnesses, some Jews, some Buddhists or Catholics or Fundamentalists ?
How about the Muslims or the hundreds of other countrys that have cultures different than yours....they may not quite agree with your views on morality.....
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They might disagree, but that does not make me wrong.
 
The basic principal of morality is to not harm others, or yourself.

The actions people take will change, things that used to be harmful may not be harmful anymore, thus what is moral conduct changes. The basic principal of morality does not change.
 
Bonestorm said:
You mean other than the part where you compared transgender people to sexual predators?




I've read the thread. You basically think transgender people should use the wrong restroom because out of concern for other restroom patrons. (Aside: I wonder why you look at the issue solely from that perspective). Even accepting your outlook, I don't think you've thought it through. I mean, if men are more comfortable using the restroom solely with other men, why does it make sense to force a person dressed as a woman to use the mens' room? If women are more comfortable using the restroom with only other women, why does it make sense to force a person dressed as a man to use the womens' room? And if you're worried about perverts taking advantage of transgender use of restrooms that conform to their identity, aren't you actually making it easier for men to go into the ladies' room if women who identify and dress as men have to use the ladies' room?

Half-wit.
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I see the problem. You miscomprehend what I wrote. I did not compare transgendered to perverts. I stated that perverts might prtend to be transgenderef to justify their presense in a restroom not of their sex.

Try slowing down while reading. Name calling, really?
 
There is very very little nudity in public nudity even in public restrooms. Seriously especially in the woman's room, the nudity occurs in a stall with the door closed. Even in the mens room, at the urinal, the men all basically their backs to everyone.
 
XLVIII DOMINATORS said:
I see the problem. You miscomprehend what I wrote. I did not compare transgendered to perverts. I stated that perverts might prtend to be transgenderef to justify their presense in a restroom not of their sex.

Try slowing down while reading. Name calling, really?
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we will have law breakers with us always...
 
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