People May Die of Thirst as Fossil Fuel Production Exhausts and Pollutes Our Fresh Wa

StormX said:
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I love how the libtards say stop using gas and oil, but do you see them all riding bicycles or walking to work? Al Gore flies around in a big private jet to tell other idiots about global warming. Now they have jumped on the latest bandwagon, a ban against fracking.
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Points to a hidden agenda, doesn't it? LOL!
 
Rune said:
Fracking is depleting water supplies in America's driest areas, report shows


America's oil and gas rush is depleting water supplies in the driest and most drought-prone areas of the country, from Texas to California, new research has found.

Of the nearly 40,000 oil and gas wells drilled since 2011, three-quarters were located in areas where water is scarce, and 55% were in areas experiencing drought, the report by the Ceres investor network found.

Fracking those wells used 97bn gallons of water, raising new concerns about unforeseen costs of America's energy rush.

"Hydraulic fracturing is increasing competitive pressures for water in some of the country's most water-stressed and drought-ridden regions," said Mindy Lubber, president of the Ceres green investors' network.

Without new tougher regulations on water use, she warned industry could be on a "collision course" with other water users.

"It's a wake-up call," said Prof James Famiglietti, a hydrologist at the University of California, Irvine. "We understand as a country that we need more energy but it is time to have a conversation about what impacts there are, and do our best to try to minimise any damage."

It can take millions of gallons of fresh water to frack a single well, and much of the drilling is tightly concentrated in areas where water is in chronically short supply, or where there have been multi-year droughts.

Half of the 97bn gallons of water was used to frack wells in Texas, which has experienced severe drought for years – and where production is expected to double over the next five years.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/feb/05/fracking-water-america-drought-oil-gas
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...fracking for natural gas actually seems to save water in the aggregate, by making it easier for utilities to switch from thirsty coal plants to more efficient natural gas power. Researchers from the University of Texas at Austin collected water use data from all 423 of the state’s power plants. They estimate that the water saved by switching from coal to natural gas is 25 to 50 times greater than the amount of water used in fracking to extract the shale gas in the first place.
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Rune said:
Missing the point much? In areas where severe water shortages exist, polluted produced water is allowed as runoff threatening already scarce supplies.
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You're grasping at straws now. You should have simply slinked away and avoided embarrassing yourself further...
 
Liberals truly believe that only they are incapable of destroying the environment. This opens doors to entire new worlds of stupid.
 
Right said:
You're grasping at straws now. You should have simply slinked away and avoided embarrassing yourself further...
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The topic of the thread is that fracking uses large amounts of water in drought areas where there is none to spare. Condensing towers at coal, gas, oil, nuclear or ANY turbine generator (which is 99% of them) simply use the water for cooling then return it unharmed to it's source. Fracking destroys lager volumes of water while spreading pollutants. You are not grasping at straws, just throwing shit balls at the wall hoping they don't slide down too fast.
 
Rune said:
The topic of the thread is that fracking uses large amounts of water in drought areas where there is none to spare. Condensing towers at coal, gas, oil, nuclear or ANY turbine generator (which is 99% of them) simply use the water for cooling then return it unharmed to it's source. Fracking destroys lager volumes of water while spreading pollutants. You are not grasping at straws, just throwing shit balls at the wall hoping they don't slide down too fast.
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You should let Google be your friend. Here's more, directly from U of T:
Since the 1990s, the primary type of power plant built in Texas has been the natural gas combined cycle (NGCC) plant with cooling towers, which uses fuel and cooling water more efficiently than older steam turbine technologies. About a third of Texas power plants are NGCC. NGCC plants consume about a third as much water as coal steam turbine (CST) plants.
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And as at least one of the commentators to that article have pointed out, burning natural gas releases water into the environment...

It appears that your argument is all wet.
 
Rune said:
LMAO at you LYAO over my source. Attack the message not the messenger, idiot.

Did anyone suggest that you duplicitous Turd Inspector?
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Is tht why you attacked me instead of the message above you ignorant dunce? Yes Rube, you really are THAT stupid, THAT repugnant, and THAT big of a moronic hypocrite.
 
Rune said:
While factually true, your statement ignores the fact that the vast majority of that water is undrinkable sea water, atmospheric vapor, and or too polluted to drink. Yes we have lots of water, not we do not have much clean fresh water, and furthermore you despicable Truth Deleter, the entire topic is about localities.
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Another massive pile of bullshit from the forums special needs dumbass. Yay you! It's obvious you flunked Geography and Geology. Hell, I doubt you finished high school with the uneducated bullshit you constantly erupt with.

By the way, check your own illegible grammar before you make fun of others spelling; "not we do not have?" Are you Yoda now?

Moron.
 
Rune said:
The topic of the thread is that fracking uses large amounts of water in drought areas where there is none to spare. Condensing towers at coal, gas, oil, nuclear or ANY turbine generator (which is 99% of them) simply use the water for cooling then return it unharmed to it's source. Fracking destroys lager volumes of water while spreading pollutants. You are not grasping at straws, just throwing shit balls at the wall hoping they don't slide down too fast.
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Bullshit shit-for-brains; but alas, your stuck on that special brand of liberal stupidity and ignore credible sources while preferring agenda driven leftist sources. Yay you!
 
Right said:
You should let Google be your friend. Here's more, directly from U of T:

And as at least one of the commentators to that article have pointed out, burning natural gas releases water into the environment...

It appears that your argument is all wet.
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And they still have condensing towers exactly as I said, and they still only use water for cooling, exactly as I said, and don't pollute said water, unlike fracking, exactly as I said.

Since the water is neither harmed nor diminished, and in fact is often seawater, not viable fresh water, and in fact much of the seawater is distilled into atmospheric vapor which then enters the fresh water sources as rain, your entire point is not only moot, but purposeful distraction.

A for effort but you still failed.

As to your other premise; [h=2]Chemical reactions[edit][/h]Main reactions with methane are: combustion, steam reforming to syngas, and halogenation. In general, methane reactions are difficult to control. Partial oxidation to methanol, for example, is challenging because the reaction typically progresses all the way to carbon dioxide and water even with incomplete amounts of oxygen. The enzymes methane monooxygenase can produce methanol from methane, but they cannot be used for industrial scale reactions.[SUP][10][/SUP]

Dumbass; only pure hydrogen produces pure water as a byproduct of combustion. Natural gas has a very small amount of pure hydrogen and is primarily Methane, which produces CO2 and water when burned.
 
Truth Detector said:
Irony; an ignoramus who dropped out of third grade calling others stupid.

:legion:
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Truth Deleter;

In all my posts to you I raised valid points.

In none of your replies did you refute any of them, you simply insulted me repeatedly.

That is not debate, in fact it is beyond boring.
 
Rune said:
And they still have condensing towers exactly as I said, and they still only use water for cooling, exactly as I said, and don't pollute said water, unlike fracking, exactly as I said.

Since the water is neither harmed nor diminished, and in fact is often seawater, not viable fresh water, and in fact much of the seawater is distilled into atmospheric vapor which then enters the fresh water sources as rain, your entire point is not only moot, but purposeful distraction.

A for effort but you still failed.

As to your other premise; [h=2]Chemical reactions[edit][/h]Main reactions with methane are: combustion, steam reforming to syngas, and halogenation. In general, methane reactions are difficult to control. Partial oxidation to methanol, for example, is challenging because the reaction typically progresses all the way to carbon dioxide and water even with incomplete amounts of oxygen. The enzymes methane monooxygenase can produce methanol from methane, but they cannot be used for industrial scale reactions.[SUP][10][/SUP]

Dumbass; only pure hydrogen produces pure water as a byproduct of combustion. Natural gas has a very small amount of pure hydrogen and is primarily Methane, which produces CO2 and water when burned.
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Arguing with you is like arguing with a three-year-old.

1. Per my earlier quote: "NGCC plants consume about a third as much water as coal steam turbine (CST) plants. "
2. And to quote you back: "Natural gas ... is primarily Methane, which produces CO2 and water when burned."
 
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