GODS NOT DEAD!

wiseones2cents said:
You gave an answer that is similar to, " no one knows the mysteries of GOD" when they cant answer a question.lol That irks me!

Second? You don't understand time nor space to make that statement. How can you go back to the beginning of time? Are you talking our time or GOD's time? GOD could exist outside our time and space, but not time and space itself. I think we have different perceptions of "GOD". Is there something beyond our universe? I would say without a doubt YES.....

Point is Jesus is not GOD. And I can prove it via Scripture.
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I'm sorry, but it's true.

NO ONE can know the mysteries of GOD.

SECOND...if GOD is omnipotent, and if he isn't, then he's NOT a God; but if he is, then that implies he can do anything, INCLUDING existing outside of time and space.

The point is it appears we both believe in God, so why are you wasting time arguing about quibbling little points unimportant to the grand scheme.
 
wiseones2cents said:
If not him it would have been someone else.
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Or Christianity would go the way of Manicheanism and today would just consist of a footnote in our history textbooks.

wiseones2cents said:
Well you are correct in a lot of things here. Christianity was interpreted in the Emperor's favor and most of the doctrine was dictated and not agreed upon. You disagreed? You got killed. For Example. The Arians who believe Jesus is not GOD, were persecuted by the emerging Christian dictatorships of Alexandria and Rome. The Truth? Most Christians and even the ones that are responsible for the Gospel, believed in Arianism.
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Constantine honestly didn't care one way or the other, he just wanted a united church as a bedrock for a stronger, united empire, and the theology of the Nicaean creed was the most popular.

wiseones2cents said:
Actually it was first the jews that persecuted the Christians. The Jews enjoyed some influence due to their wealth(even among the rulers) and riled up the masses against the Christians. Just like they are doing today against the Muslims. It reached its peak under Diocletian.
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WTF?

wiseones2cents said:
You were probably a fan of Hitler too, no?
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Diocletian was a great emperor who lead the recovery of Rome from the crisis of the 3rd century, where it very nearly collapsed. He restored order, brought it back to greatness, and extended it's life by another century, easily - without him, we'd probably date the end of the Roman empire to somewhere around 300 AD, rather than 450 AD in the west and 1453 in the east. There's a reason historians usually divide the history of the Empire into two epochs - the "Principate", started by Augustus, and the "Dominate", started by Diocletian, with the crisis of the third century being an interregnum with little in the way of legitimate authority. Also, without him, there never would've been a Constantine, and no popularization of Christianity by a Christian empire. So, I suppose you could say that he's the second most important person in the history of Christianity.

wiseones2cents said:
The position held power,influence and wealth. And your an idiot. The Donatists weren't against converts. They were against the Church leaders that sold out their flock. Go back to school.
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They did not send people to their deaths, they handed in a book.

wiseones2cents said:
The Essenes helped the enslaved Romans(and others) from the Germanic Macedonia conquerors. Eventually the Germanic tribes over through the Western Roman Empire and took hold of the "Holy Roman Empire", Leaving only the east(The Byzantium empire).
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The Essenes and Roman slaves what?

Macedonia was not Germanic, it was Greek.

The western empire was eventually taken apart by Germanic tribes, true. But Germans also helped it at times. I think they missed an opportunity to integrate the Germans into the western Empire, to consolidate and strengthen it - perhaps with a German emperor. As for the Holy Roman Empire, that's a later creation from around 10th (?) century, basically the Germanic and northern Italian parts of the old Carolingian empire. It's connection to the western Roman empire is... tenuous at best.
 
wiseones2cents said:
The book of Genesis seems to be a book compiled of Legends from various sources. For example they say the flood story was inspired by the epic of Gilgamesh. Was there a flood? Most likely but it was exaggerated like most of the stories in those days. There are atleast three scenarios that could have caused extensive flooding. None of which would have been global and wiping out all life.

It is clear you don't understand the Spiritual aspect of the NT, therefore making your opinion, invalid, Yes being spiritual is like being a born again Christian. Something it seems you cannot comprehend.
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It is clear that you don't understand the scientific aspect of my worldview, therefore make your opinion, invalid, Yes being scientific is like having common sense. Something it seems you cannot comprehend.
 
wiseones2cents said:
HUH? English please. The Bible seems to have many names for GOD. The Tetragrammaton, Adonis, Jehovah, Eli, even Baal means Lord in other languages.

OH and here is a secret for you. The Tetragrammaton stands for King of Kings. Basically the Lord of Lords at the time.
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Shahanshah (usually shortened to "Shah" in the west) stands for "King of kings" as well, basically a royal title roughly equal in rank to emperor.
 
Tyrion the Imp said:
Or Christianity would go the way of Manicheanism and today would just consist of a footnote in our history textbooks.
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Nope. It was too popular.



Constantine honestly didn't care one way or the other, he just wanted a united church as a bedrock for a stronger, united empire, and the theology of the Nicaean creed was the most popular.
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He sided with the people with more influence and that is the Trinitarians.



WTF?
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I see you haven't read the New Testament. The jews not only were the ones that got Christ crucified, they persecuted the Christians every where they went.


Diocletian was a great emperor who lead the recovery of Rome from the crisis of the 3rd century, where it very nearly collapsed. He restored order, brought it back to greatness, and extended it's life by another century, easily - without him, we'd probably date the end of the Roman empire to somewhere around 300 AD, rather than 450 AD in the west and 1453 in the east. There's a reason historians usually divide the history of the Empire into two epochs - the "Principate", started by Augustus, and the "Dominate", started by Diocletian, with the crisis of the third century being an interregnum with little in the way of legitimate authority. Also, without him, there never would've been a Constantine, and no popularization of Christianity by a Christian empire. So, I suppose you could say that he's the second most important person in the history of Christianity.
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Great emperor who killed and persecuted innocent people? If Hitler had succeeded in killing all the jews and reuniting Europe under the old Germanic monarchy would that have made him a great leader in your eyes?



They did not send people to their deaths, they handed in a book.
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And what happened if they refused? They were given slaps on the wrist? Your an idiot. They were being heavily persecuted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donatism

During the persecution some Church leaders had gone so far as to turn Christians over to Roman authorities and had handed over religious texts to authorities to be publicly burned. These people were called traditores ("people who had handed over"). These traditors had returned to positions of authority under Constantine I, and the Donatists proclaimed that any sacraments celebrated by these priests and bishops were invalid.



The Essenes and Roman slaves what?

Macedonia was not Germanic, it was Greek.
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Wrong. The Macedonians were blond blue eyed. They were Germanic.

The western empire was eventually taken apart by Germanic tribes, true. But Germans also helped it at times. I think they missed an opportunity to integrate the Germans into the western Empire, to consolidate and strengthen it - perhaps with a German emperor. As for the Holy Roman Empire, that's a later creation from around 10th (?) century, basically the Germanic and northern Italian parts of the old Carolingian empire. It's connection to the western Roman empire is... tenuous at best.
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After the 8th century they were all Germanic emperors. I think Charlemagne(who was a Franc) was the first.
 
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