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No wonder IHA doesn't want any discussion in his thread...


New Report Undermines Right-Wing Media Claim That Higher Minimum Wages Threaten Job Creation


Washington Led Nation In Workforce Vitality Report Despite Country's Highest Minimum Wages

According to a recent report by the private payroll firm Automatic Data Processing (ADP), the state of Washington received the highest score in the nation on wage and job growth in the fourth quarter of 2015. The state's outstanding performance runs counter to the doom-and-gloom scenarios pushed by right-wing media about the supposed side effects of elevated minimum wages.

On February 15, The Seattle Times reported that Washington was "far outpacing" other states in job and wage growth for the fourth quarter of 2015, according to the most recent ADP Workforce Vitality Report. ADP gave Washington a job and wage growth score of 117.9 on its Workforce Vitality Index, besting the average national score by over 11 points. The index looks at "key labor market indicators, such as employment growth, job turnover, wage growth and hours worked." From The Seattle Times:

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"Washington is really overperforming on employment growth," said Ahu Yildirmaz, head of research for ADP, a payroll services company.

Nationwide, employment and wages both increased by 2.1 percent year-over-year during the fourth/ quarter of 2015.

In Washington, however, employment climbed by 3.7 percent. Much of that came from hiring in construction, information technology, professional services, and leisure and hospitality industries.

[...]

In sectors such as in retail and hospitality, some employers in the region are raising wages for managers in response to recent minimum-wage bumps in Seattle and SeaTac, said Sage Wilson, spokesperson for Working Washington, an advocacy organization.

Anecdotally, Wilson has heard of employers outside of those cities finding that they must match higher wages to compete for employees. The minimum-wage increases, however, are relatively new and could take years before they significantly impact statewide data.


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The state of Washington already has the highest statewide minimum wage in the country -- $9.47 per hour -- and, as The Seattle Times alluded to, the cities of Seattle and SeaTac are in the process of phasing in the highest municipal minimum wages in the country -- $15 per hour. While The Seattle Times reported that it "could take years" before municipal minimum wage increases "significantly impact statewide data" the ADP report undermines right-wing media claims that minimum wage increases are already hurting employers, workers, and local economies.

Conservative media smears against Seattle's minimum wage increase started soon after the city approved an ordinance raising the minimum wage to $15 over the course of a three- to seven-year period. In July 2015, Fox News' Dan Springer falsely claimed that Seattle was facing "unintended consequences" from the wage increase, with some low-income workers attempting to game the system so as to remain eligible for welfare benefits. In August, the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) used cherry-picked data to claim Seattle's minimum wage increase "has started having a negative effect on restaurant jobs." Fox Business host Stuart Varney echoed AEI's sentiment a month later on his show, weeks after the specific job loss claim had been debunked. Other right-wing outlets, including The Daily Caller and Investor's Business Daily, have combed through municipal jobs data in Seattle to exaggerate alleged side effects of the minimum wage.

Right-wing media are staunchly opposed to increasing the minimum wage and dedicated to promoting the myth that wage increases result in job losses, despite a wealth of evidence showing that minimum wage increases have a negligible effect on employment.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/02/17/new-report-undermines-right-wing-media-claim-th/208644
 
Media Matters?

Yes, I'll attack the source because you aren't serious about discussing the issue if this is who you post from.
 
Media Matters?

Yes, I'll attack the source because you aren't serious about discussing the issue if this is who you post from.

Facts are facts.

Numbers don't change depending on which website they happen to come from.

But here you are, attacking the source once more.

If you had anything more substantial, you'd post it.
 
Media Matters?

Yes, I'll attack the source because you aren't serious about discussing the issue if this is who you post from.

Don't care about the source. The comparison is bogus. The $15/hour minimum wage ONLY exists in Seattle, not the entire state. So trying to use the entire state is an effort to gloss over Seattles failure.

EPIC FAIL
 
Media Matters?

Yes, I'll attack the source because you aren't serious about discussing the issue if this is who you post from.

LOL

Also impressive was the report was put out by the "private payroll firm Automatic Data Processing (ADP)"....
 
LOL

Also impressive was the report was put out by the "private payroll firm Automatic Data Processing (ADP)"....

What is hilarious is that someone would try to pass off State data as a comparison to an individual city which is what I was discussing. People wonder why they get thread banned when they do stupid shit like this.

What is even more hilarious is that I have challenged Zipperhead to a 1:1 debate outside of APP which he claims I am afraid to do and he runs from it.

#WINNING
 
No wonder IHA doesn't want any discussion in his thread...


New Report Undermines Right-Wing Media Claim That Higher Minimum Wages Threaten Job Creation


Washington Led Nation In Workforce Vitality Report Despite Country's Highest Minimum Wages

According to a recent report by the private payroll firm Automatic Data Processing (ADP), the state of Washington received the highest score in the nation on wage and job growth in the fourth quarter of 2015. The state's outstanding performance runs counter to the doom-and-gloom scenarios pushed by right-wing media about the supposed side effects of elevated minimum wages.

On February 15, The Seattle Times reported that Washington was "far outpacing" other states in job and wage growth for the fourth quarter of 2015, according to the most recent ADP Workforce Vitality Report. ADP gave Washington a job and wage growth score of 117.9 on its Workforce Vitality Index, besting the average national score by over 11 points. The index looks at "key labor market indicators, such as employment growth, job turnover, wage growth and hours worked." From The Seattle Times:

=================================================================================================================

"Washington is really overperforming on employment growth," said Ahu Yildirmaz, head of research for ADP, a payroll services company.

Nationwide, employment and wages both increased by 2.1 percent year-over-year during the fourth/ quarter of 2015.

In Washington, however, employment climbed by 3.7 percent. Much of that came from hiring in construction, information technology, professional services, and leisure and hospitality industries.

[...]

In sectors such as in retail and hospitality, some employers in the region are raising wages for managers in response to recent minimum-wage bumps in Seattle and SeaTac, said Sage Wilson, spokesperson for Working Washington, an advocacy organization.

Anecdotally, Wilson has heard of employers outside of those cities finding that they must match higher wages to compete for employees. The minimum-wage increases, however, are relatively new and could take years before they significantly impact statewide data.


================================================================================================================

The state of Washington already has the highest statewide minimum wage in the country -- $9.47 per hour -- and, as The Seattle Times alluded to, the cities of Seattle and SeaTac are in the process of phasing in the highest municipal minimum wages in the country -- $15 per hour. While The Seattle Times reported that it "could take years" before municipal minimum wage increases "significantly impact statewide data" the ADP report undermines right-wing media claims that minimum wage increases are already hurting employers, workers, and local economies.

Conservative media smears against Seattle's minimum wage increase started soon after the city approved an ordinance raising the minimum wage to $15 over the course of a three- to seven-year period. In July 2015, Fox News' Dan Springer falsely claimed that Seattle was facing "unintended consequences" from the wage increase, with some low-income workers attempting to game the system so as to remain eligible for welfare benefits. In August, the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) used cherry-picked data to claim Seattle's minimum wage increase "has started having a negative effect on restaurant jobs." Fox Business host Stuart Varney echoed AEI's sentiment a month later on his show, weeks after the specific job loss claim had been debunked. Other right-wing outlets, including The Daily Caller and Investor's Business Daily, have combed through municipal jobs data in Seattle to exaggerate alleged side effects of the minimum wage.

Right-wing media are staunchly opposed to increasing the minimum wage and dedicated to promoting the myth that wage increases result in job losses, despite a wealth of evidence showing that minimum wage increases have a negligible effect on employment.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/02/17/new-report-undermines-right-wing-media-claim-th/208644

Perhaps the Seattle Times should look at how those making more under local minimum wage laws, the ones we were told needed to be higher so people could support themselves, asked for less hours because the higher wages were causing a reduction in handouts.

http://mynorthwest.com/992/2772284/They-asked-for-a-higher-wage-but-now-they-want-fewer-hours
 
you refuse to do facts



its like arguing with a full toilet bowl


stir it your own self turdmaster


Your fear is duly noted. I just wanted it documented for all to see. The upside for me is that you cannot credibly complain about being thread banned. I have given you a chance to argue your position and you refuse to take it. Any reasonable person would conclude that you are afraid to debate me 1:1

Don't worry. You are in good company as many liberals are afraid to debate their positions in the light of day because they know deep down that they cannot stand up to scrutiny.
 
Perhaps the Seattle Times should look at how those making more under local minimum wage laws, the ones we were told needed to be higher so people could support themselves, asked for less hours because the higher wages were causing a reduction in handouts.

http://mynorthwest.com/992/2772284/They-asked-for-a-higher-wage-but-now-they-want-fewer-hours

Your question was answered in the article you linked to.

"It turns out, they're asking for less hours because now that they're making more money, they're being taken off subsidies that make their life just a little bit easier for them. Without it, they're making more of an hourly wage, but they're still poor (and now without additional help).

Justine Decker is a full-time student with a 3-year-old son and a part-time job, and implies there's no incentive for her to work full time because if she makes too much, it cuts into her subsidies for rent and childcare."
 
Facts are facts.

Numbers don't change depending on which website they happen to come from.

But here you are, attacking the source once more.

If you had anything more substantial, you'd post it.



Tell that shit to your fellow Liberal assholes that discount the numbers when the source is Breitbart, The Heritage Foundation, FOX, WorldNetDaily, etc.
 
Tell that shit to your fellow Liberal assholes that discount the numbers when the source is Breitbart, The Heritage Foundation, FOX, WorldNetDaily, etc.

Oh, so you AGREE with me that wacko's response was just more diversionary nonsense meant to derail the thread.

Thanks for admitting the truth for once.
 
Your question was answered in the article you linked to.

"It turns out, they're asking for less hours because now that they're making more money, they're being taken off subsidies that make their life just a little bit easier for them. Without it, they're making more of an hourly wage, but they're still poor (and now without additional help).

Justine Decker is a full-time student with a 3-year-old son and a part-time job, and implies there's no incentive for her to work full time because if she makes too much, it cuts into her subsidies for rent and childcare."

That was the point. Those who support the $15/hour wage said it would result in people supporting themselves and that people wanted to earn their own way. Now, when they ask for reduced hours in order to get the same amount of benefits, the only thing that's changed is how much they work. The end result of their desire for less hours produces the same end result of still being freeloaders by getting just as much handed to them. The $15/hour wage was supposed to reduce that type of thing. All they want is the same bottom line just working less hours to get it. They don't want to work. They want freebies and less work. They got what they asked for now want the same amount of handouts. Worthless.
 
Don't care about the source. The comparison is bogus. The $15/hour minimum wage ONLY exists in Seattle, not the entire state. So trying to use the entire state is an effort to gloss over Seattles failure.

EPIC FAIL

The failure centers around those that got the $15/hour because those instituting it were led to believe that allowing people to earn a higher wage meant they would support themselves. What it amounts to with the Seattle freeloaders is the bottom line being the same, the handouts being the same, but the level of work they want to do being less.
 
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