Should people be allowed to vote on Brexit type issues?

islam stinks said:
Maybe it's a sign the gobblement does too much? Ever think of that or do you need someone smarter to explain it to you. At a certain level I applaud you for admitting to your abject ignorance on important topics. It goes a long way in explaining your silly posts.
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Says the guy who doesn't know much outside of the price of new bed sheets.
 
Milagro said:
The FSTE 100 finished the day on 6360, back to its pre-referendum level. The Remainians are all crying, it is truly pathetic.
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seriously someone made a lot of money off this. Crash the market use an excuse like brexit and sell your shares at the prebrexit price. Have lemmings like thing1 and his ilk sell their shares. Then when you get to bottom price buy everything back at rock bottom prices.
 
Thing1 said:
See that? You don't even understand that most of those jobs don't even exist anymore.

So, when a Trump says he's bringing 'em all back, you just buy it.
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course they do. Even fully automated factories provide plenty of jobs. Libs just dont see it.
 
tsuke said:
course they do. Even fully automated factories provide plenty of jobs. Libs just dont see it.
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What's the ratio?

There was a story last week about a factory in China automating 60,000 jobs. Sure, you need people to oversee that - but it's a fraction of the jobs that were lost.
 
Thing1 said:
If someone says I'm dopey, they're dopey.

Honestly, when I say this stuff, people think I'm elitist. But I don't even think I should vote on issues like this one. I question the entire process of voting in the U.S. in general. People are too busy, and no one understands trade, the economy, foreign policy, et al. They really don't. It's why we're such suckers for fear & hate campaigns.
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and you think that those who are elected know that shit? it's what they have advisors for, because the politician is nothing more than a showman. obama doesn't know shit about trade or the economy, he uses what is told to him.

this is part of the problem with our country. we have morons who are too interested in the bachelor or dancing with the stars to bother to educate and inform themselves, then we have people who believe that a macro economy is too complex, so we shouldn't argue and debate national budgets because we're stupid (this is projection by the way), and then others who not only don't bother to learn what they need to, but actually depend upon others to look out for their interests. jeebus.
 
Thing1 said:
See that? You don't even understand that most of those jobs don't even exist anymore.

So, when a Trump says he's bringing 'em all back, you just buy it.
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The larger issue is are we making ourselves competitive and clearly we are not. It is funny because not long ago it was JPP leftists bemoaning outsourcing and calling for companies to be punished for "sending jobs overseas". Only four years ago. My how you guys have changed.

Were you full of shit or have you evolved?

At a certain level I have no problem with jobs going overseas unless our gobblement is responsible for creating an uncompetitive market which is what is happening. Couple that with the ruling class importing cheap labor, I don't know how leftists can say they support "workers".
 
Seahawk said:
Thing, are you conceding to me? You haven't answered any of my questions of late, nor proven your claim.

Are you ok?
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Yes, I am conceding to you.

Actually, I'm answering you - just in other posts. I'm somewhat pressed for time. You asked about automation, and I responded to tsuke that 60,000 jobs were just automated in one factory in China. So yes, to your automation question.

I think I'm ok. But who really knows.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
and you think that those who are elected know that shit? it's what they have advisors for, because the politician is nothing more than a showman. obama doesn't know shit about trade or the economy, he uses what is told to him.

this is part of the problem with our country. we have morons who are too interested in the bachelor or dancing with the stars to bother to educate and inform themselves, then we have people who believe that a macro economy is too complex, so we shouldn't argue and debate national budgets because we're stupid (this is projection by the way), and then others who not only don't bother to learn what they need to, but actually depend upon others to look out for their interests. jeebus.
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Look, nothing is really working. No - I don't trust our leaders either. I don't know what the answer is.

But I have seen the reasons people vote. The "who would you rather have a beer with" barometers that many use. No, I do not have faith in the populace to vote intelligently. I don't think that makes me an elitist. I think it makes me a realist.
 
Thing1 said:
Yes, I am conceding to you.

Actually, I'm answering you - just in other posts. I'm somewhat pressed for time. You asked about automation, and I responded to tsuke that 60,000 jobs were just automated in one factory in China. So yes, to your automation question.

I think I'm ok. But who really knows.
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You had the time to type this tripe, but not actually answer my posts.

Strange.

You claimed I said "Onceler, Onceler" and I said no such thing, but you're too busy to explain. I've also asked you other questions that are directly related to the topic, but you are too busy to respond.

Ok.
 
Thing1 said:
What's the ratio?

There was a story last week about a factory in China automating 60,000 jobs. Sure, you need people to oversee that - but it's a fraction of the jobs that were lost.
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the ratio is too complex for me to calculate off hand as there are too many moving parts.

Lets say you bring back a widget factory. Fully automated.

Of course you need the people to maintain the robots, sanitation, white collar management work, and security as you mentioned. Those people now need to live in the community. They need to buy food, have people, to cut their hair, prostitutes to have sex with, and various other things. So the service industry in that community grows. Of course as more people produce in the local community the more jobs are created as well.

For the next part read up on the economic concept of "backward linkages". Say that for a widget to be produced you need the raw material wid and get. If the plant was in China the raw materials would likely be sourced in China as well. If in the US then in the US. The places that produce Wids and Gets would have more orders. This means they hire more people or if enough demand is there more sources of Wids and Gets open up. That then creates employment in those areas.

Of course you now need to transport the raw materials to the factories. Normally only the chinese transport sector would get these jobs or chinese truckers if you will. Now American truckers get these jobs. Given that these guys are very mobile they spread the economic stimulus around.

This is just form 1 automated factory. Imagine the multiplier effect for more. Liberals only see the specific tree and the specific area that a factory operates in, when in reality each factory you bring back , again even if fully automated, is another artery that pumps economic lifeblood to the country.

So my question is why are you ok giving up all these jobs?
 
Seahawk said:
Should people be allowed to vote on Brexit type issues?

Let us just say that leaving the EU is a national security risk for the UK. Should the vote still be allowed? What if leaving the EU would mean an epidemic recession or depression for the UK, should the vote be allowed?
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Yes, the concept is called Self-Determination.

Seahawk said:
What if US voters brought back slavery? Should the vote be allowed to stand?
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You're dreaming if you think that would actually happen.
 
Everyone knew the markets would rebound after the vote, with the central banks ready to act fast and calm the markets. The posts stating this are there, I can get them if anyone wants to deny it.

I feel the people here are staggeringly stupid. This is about the long term economic look for the UK itself.

First of all article 50 has not been invoked yet.

Here is the forecast from The Economist, the well known lefty rag:

Brexit has plunged the UK into political, economic and market turmoil. We expect this turmoil to be sustained
We significantly revised our economic fcast. After growth of 1.5% this year, we expect contraction of 1% in 2017
We expect to see decline in investment of 8% and decline in private consumption of 3% in 2017 with the pound levelling out at $1.24
The vote has transformed our fiscal forecasts. Falling tax rev & higher social transfers as unemployment rises
We now expect the UK's public debt burden to reach 100% of GDP by 2018
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This hit brings UK's post-crisis recovery to a halt. 2018 real GDP will be almost 4% below pre-referendum forecast (2020 = 6% below)



This all equals a deep recession, higher taxes and sadly, further austerity. The people who voted to leave will be hurt the worst.

None of this will happen over night. And no one really knows what else this will lead to. With the country split, political turmoil is nearly certain. No one can really predict the long term ramifications.
 
Oh yes pisspot, the markets will stabilize, especially with the BOE and the Treasury ready to spend billions to shore it up..the UK? Now that's a different story.

So anyway, what is this "Good deal" you are wanting out of the turkey talk in Brussels? Can we see some details of what this good deal you brexiters are going to walk away with?

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?69606-The-Brits-Are-Turning&p=1646617#post1646617


Cameron is speaking and says The Bank of England and the Treasury will continue to take all measures to shore up the markets (and the pound). And I am sure they will. The markets will stabilize at some point. Which is what will let the US and Europe off the hook, for the most part.

Where will all that money come from? There will be further austerity. A shrinking of the GDP. This means job losses and public cuts within the UK.

Short term it may look bad for all of us - long term? Everyone else stabilizes (presuming no further EU defections), and the UK is fucked. Assuming the UK holds, it may split up. Either way, England is fucked, and oh God those poor bastards in Wales, who voted believing the Leavers bs that the UK would replace the EU money subsidizing Wales. They will never see a pound.

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?69606-The-Brits-Are-Turning&p=1646489#post1646489

I think the likely outcome, economically speaking only, will be that Europe will rebound, the US will rebound. The UK, who knows if they will hold, or split, and we will have an "Little England" it's early, we will have to see. However, their GDP will fall, and the new right wing Tory will institute public cuts and further austerity. They're on the way down. That is my opinion.

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?69449-Brexit-predictions&p=1645777#post1645777
 
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