Woo Hoo!

J Craft said:
Funny you should mention Nixon, since like Hillary, he was a corrupt politician. Though he was to be impeached, Hillary gets the nod. But hey everyone ignore her corruption and look between her legs instead.
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Oh please. Calling a politician corrupt based on partisan hackery is like saying water is wet. Boo Fucking Hoo! Cry me a river.
 
Thing1 said:
Man, do we have some reading issues on this board.

Where in the OP is Darla saying that's the ONLY reason to vote for Hillary, or the only reason it's exciting that she's nominated?
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Okay, what are some other reasons to be excited over her nomination? What's going to be the big differences between her and obama? She's just a member of one of the "oppressed", offended little groups you neo-comms have divided your followers into and loosed upon conservatives. She's a novelty item, a shiny object to throw your useful idiots off the scent of her corruption and incompetence. I will throw you a little bone though, I understand she may be rethinking support for NAFTA and TPP. Now that WOULD send a little tingle down my leg...because Trump feels the same way.
 
callinectes said:
Okay, what are some other reasons to be excited over her nomination? What's going to be the big differences between her and obama? She's just a member of one of the "oppressed", offended little groups you neo-comms have divided your followers into and loosed upon conservatives. She's a novelty item, a shiny object to throw your useful idiots off the scent of her corruption and incompetence. I will throw you a little bone though, I understand she may be rethinking support for NAFTA and TPP. Now that WOULD send a little tingle down my leg...because Trump feels the same way.
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You're speaking strictly from a conservative's point of view.

If you're a progressive or a liberal, and you're not voting 3rd party, this election is a no-brainer. On just about any issue, she's a champion of progressive philosophy. Really, the only area where she isn't is foreign policy.

Beyond that, progressives are just as concerned about SCOTUS as conservatives are. Whoever wins will define the court for a generation, and both sides want to see it defined their way. Hillary is really the only choice if you're on the left.
 
Thing1 said:
You're speaking strictly from a conservative's point of view.

If you're a progressive or a liberal, and you're not voting 3rd party, this election is a no-brainer. On just about any issue, she's a champion of progressive philosophy. Really, the only area where she isn't is foreign policy.

Beyond that, progressives are just as concerned about SCOTUS as conservatives are. Whoever wins will define the court for a generation, and both sides want to see it defined their way. Hillary is really the only choice if you're on the left.
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If you're on the left, the choice you made to do so proves you're a born loser.

The progressive philosophy is that of born losers.

The progressive philosophies only answer is bigger and bigger government. It's easy to see why you support it. You're incapable of solving your own problem so you have to be a puppet to the left in order to ever have anything in life.
 
CFM said:
If you're on the left, the choice you made to do so proves you're a born loser.

The progressive philosophy is that of born losers.

The progressive philosophies only answer is bigger and bigger government. It's easy to see why you support it. You're incapable of solving your own problem so you have to be a puppet to the left in order to ever have anything in life.
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Progressive thought has always prevailed in the end. At every stage of history.

You're confusing progressive w/ liberal. Progressive policy does not necessitate big gov't.
 
Thing1 said:
Progressive thought has always prevailed in the end. At every stage of history.

You're confusing progressive w/ liberal. Progressive policy does not necessitate big gov't.
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Let's test your statement:

Is Bernie Sanders free college plan a progressive idea?

Is the $15/hour minimum wage a progressive idea?

Is a put for single payer healthcare a progressive idea?

Is the concept of a national sick paid and family paid leave a progressive idea?
 
CFM said:
Let's test your statement:

Is Bernie Sanders free college plan a progressive idea?

Is the $15/hour minimum wage a progressive idea?

Is a put for single payer healthcare a progressive idea?

Is the concept of a national sick paid and family paid leave a progressive idea?
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Free college is progressive. Because the ROI would be incredible; the investment would be paltry compared to the return. For the record, I also think that privatizing Social Security is progressive, for the same basic reason (ROI).

I think the minimum wage needs to be higher, but it should vary depending on jobs & regions. I don't think a blanket increase is progressive.

Healthcare is crazily complex (and Trump wants gov't funded universal, btw). It's only progressive if costs are addressed in a very significant way, but a country like ours should have universal healthcare.

Paid family leave is DEFINITELY progressive. Again - ROI, as related to productivity and worker satisfaction. No brainer.
 
Oh, and I don't expect meaningful discussion from you, CFM. I expect that was some sort of "test" that I failed, because your views are 100% correct on each line item.
 
Thing1 said:
That wasn't a progressive state. And sorry - it wasn't even communist.

That was just a good ol' fashioned dictatorship.
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they thought they were.....just like the Democrats today.......we all know both were wrong........
In order that nationalized property in the occupied areas, as well as in the USSR, become a basis for genuinely progressive, that is to say socialist development, it is necessary to overthrow the Moscow bureaucracy.
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Leon Trotsky, 1939
https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1939/09/ussr-war.htm
 
Thing1 said:
That wasn't a progressive state. And sorry - it wasn't even communist.

That was just a good ol' fashioned dictatorship.
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It wasn't communist? That's strange. Stalin, along with Lenin, Trotsky and 4 others would become the first 7 members of the Politburo and run things during what is called the Bolshevik Revolution. The Bolsheviks would later become what was known as the COMMUNIST party of the Soviet Union.

The rulers ruled like dictators but they were Marxist communists in ideology. Lenin who ran the COMMUNIST party and the government of what would be called the USSR after the COMMUNIST revolution, was a Marxist ideologically.

When the primary leaders of the USSR that established it and created it for what it was were COMMUNIST, the country was COMMUNIST. Are you saying dictators can't be communists? A dictatorship by definition is a country that is ruled by one person/group that uses various methods to maintain it's power. Dictatorships can come in many form. The divine right kings/queens of England were dictatorships. They maintained their power by authoritarian rule. They weren't communist but were dictators by definition. In the same sense, the leaders of the USSR were dictators by definition but they adhered to COMMUNISM.
 
They can call it whatever they want. It wasn't communism.

Not that I think communism would work if it was ever really tried. I don't. But the USSR wasn't communism.
 
Thing1 said:
Trotsky?

You know what happened to Trotsky, right? Ever read "Animal Farm"?
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Irrelevant. Do you know how he ruled and what basic ideology he followed? He was a communist (Stalinist) and considered what he did as progressive. Are you saying it was good?
 
Thing1 said:
They can call it whatever they want. It wasn't communism.

Not that I think communism would work if it was ever really tried. I don't. But the USSR wasn't communism.
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They called it what it was. That you refuse to accept it is your fault, dumbass.

Are you saying that those who ran the USSR and created what THEY called the COMMUNIST party to run the government weren't communist? Are you really that fucking stupid?
 
Thing1 said:
Oh, and I don't expect meaningful discussion from you, CFM. I expect that was some sort of "test" that I failed, because your views are 100% correct on each line item.
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I don't expect you to acknowledge the truth. You failed because you choose to be a failure and ignore facts.
 
Thing1 said:
Free college is progressive. Because the ROI would be incredible; the investment would be paltry compared to the return. For the record, I also think that privatizing Social Security is progressive, for the same basic reason (ROI).

I think the minimum wage needs to be higher, but it should vary depending on jobs & regions. I don't think a blanket increase is progressive.

Healthcare is crazily complex (and Trump wants gov't funded universal, btw). It's only progressive if costs are addressed in a very significant way, but a country like ours should have universal healthcare.

Paid family leave is DEFINITELY progressive. Again - ROI, as related to productivity and worker satisfaction. No brainer.
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If the investment is such a good thing, why aren't the parents of the kids that would receive it investing in their own kids? If their own kids aren't a good enough investment for them, their damn kids aren't a good investment for me. If the little snot nosed bastard doesn't amount to enough to his/her own parents to pay for his/her college, the little bastard doesn't amount enough to me.

If someone that only offers minimum skills wants a raise, improve their skills.

Universal healthcare is nothing more than a redistribution of wealth program designed to give to those unwilling to do for themselves what they should be doing for themselves.

There is no return on investment for paid family leave. If someone needs to be given something other than a wage equivalent to their skills to be happy, you can never make them happy because it will never be enough.

All that said, you've proven to be a liar. You said progressive policies do not necessitate big government. I post several things. Each and every one of them you called progressive involves more and more government action not less.
 
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