Hillary as Sec of State

[Rune]

I doubt it .. I'm Fairly Certain you're a Paid Clinton Campaign Troll ..

Ya think?
I wish.
I joined here almost 6 years ago and made over 20,000 posts so that I would be ready in case she won the nomination?
Excellent deduction Watson.
The truth unfortunately is that I am a small business owner like yourself. The main difference I can acertain so far is that I diversified early enough, you didn't.

 

[Warrior135]

Blaming the economy has always been an easy out for failing ventures.
Many new companies with new products have thrived under this economy.
Maybe you are just not a very good businessman.
Have you ever thought of that?

(CNSNews.com) - A record 94,610,000 Americans were not in the American labor force last month --
and the labor force participation rate reached its lowest point in 38 years,
with 62.4 percent of the U.S. population either holding a job or actively seeking one.

Maybe our President just isn't a very good president ..

My Material Supply Costs are through the roof ..
Sales are Down ..
Capital Investors are not making Loans ..
My Customers have Little $$ to Spend ..

Survey: 69% Of Americans Have Less Than $1000 In Savings - Forbes

[SOURCE]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmc...han-1000-in-savings-infographic/#3f1aa5791ee7

There's an Economic Crisis Going on That the Media Isn't Reporting ..

Go Crawl Back Under A Rock ..

 

[Rune]

(CNSNews.com) - A record 94,610,000 Americans were not in the American labor force last month --
and the labor force participation rate reached its lowest point in 38 years,
with 62.4 percent of the U.S. population either holding a job or actively seeking one.

Maybe our President just isn't a very good president ..

My Material Supply Costs are through the roof ..
Sales are Down ..
Capital Investors are not making Loans ..
My Customers have Little $$ to Spend ..

Survey: 69% Of Americans Have Less Than $1000 In Savings - Forbes

[SOURCE]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmc...han-1000-in-savings-infographic/#3f1aa5791ee7

There's an Economic Crisis Going on That the Media Isn't Reporting ..

Go Crawl Back Under A Rock ..

There are customers with money. You need to find them.

 

[Warrior135]

There are customers with money. You need to find them.

yea .. i will .. but i'm busy till tomorrow evening .. i have MUCHO Gloating To Do

 

[anatta]

Devastingly ironic. Not.
The point which you missed as usual is simply that sookie is wrong....as usual.
All of you rightards base your idiotic judgements on fallacies.

another Rune grande delusion

 

[Billy Batts]

except people like you label clinton setting up her private server to avoid FOIA as "conspiracy theory"

Not quite, you are saying she "set up a private server to avoid any FOIA" requests, you have no evidence to back up that claim, and the FBI investigation made no such conclusion nor did the Congressional findings. So you are just guessing, and more than likley wrong.

A conspiracy theory (as demonstrated by anatta) is hypotheses that contradict the prevailing understanding of historical or simple facts. They take actual event and dates then construe them to fit some odd view. The view becomes an article of faith, then there is no reasoning with those that believe it. Most can be dismissed with basic common sense, and logic. Lets use your notion:

Clinton set up her private server to avoid FOIA.

What do we factually know about: Clinton, the Job of Secretary of State, Private E-mail servers, and FOIA requests.
Facts:
1) Clinton held a private E-mail server. True.

2) Why did she have a private E-mail account? Everybody has a private E-mail account in general.

3) Does her position as Secretary of state prohibit her from having a Private E-mail server? No.

4) As Secretary is she allowed to use it to transfer classified information? No. Did she? Yes.

5) As secretary of State does she or the Government have to honor every single FOIA request made, by a citizen or organisation? No otherwise there is no such thing as classified material.

6) Can the FBI and Congress demand her E-mails from her private server without a FOIA request? Absolutely.

Given those facts did Clinton "set up her private server to avoid FOIA". No - it makes no sense given the facts. Conspiracy theories can be dismissed in the same order.

 

[Billy Batts]

It's not "conspiracy theories" I don't fool with them either. At worst you can call them alternative sites.
They exist because morons and the MS media deny the realities of Libya then and now.

You say this and that -but you source absolutely nothing. I give you source after source,as well as detaled analysis
and you just blow it off.
Much like Hillary supporters that blow off the fact she's the warmonger behind Libya 2011 war

If you are dismissing settled historical event in favor of "alternative sources", because you do not accept the main stream source material as legitimate. Then you are obviously indulging in a conspiracy theory.
If I cite the mainstream media, and you cite a comic book, which periodical should hold more weight? The National Enquirer is alliterative media source as well, but I would not give it credence over The New York Times on an event unless they draw a similar conclusion. I do note Cite everything I write, because what I write can easily be checked. If a link can not be found, I will point one out for clarity.

 

[Rune]

If you are dismissing settled historical event in favor of "alternative sources", because you do not accept the main stream source material as legitimate. Then you are obviously indulging in a conspiracy theory.
If I cite the mainstream media, and you cite a comic book, which periodical should hold more weight? The National Enquirer is alliterative media source as well, but I would not give it credence over The New York Times on an event unless they draw a similar conclusion. I do note Cite everything I write, because what I write can easily be checked. If a link can not be found, I will point one out for clarity.

LMFAO@anatta
Poor anatta
You have been schooled fool.

 

[anatta]

If you are dismissing settled historical event in favor of "alternative sources", because you do not accept the main stream source material as legitimate. Then you are obviously indulging in a conspiracy theory.
If I cite the mainstream media, and you cite a comic book, which periodical should hold more weight? The National Enquirer is alliterative media source as well, but I would not give it credence over The New York Times on an event unless they draw a similar conclusion. I do note Cite everything I write, because what I write can easily be checked. If a link can not be found, I will point one out for clarity.

alternative media covers post Qadaffi more then MS ( 2014-2015)
But when I say a "variety of sources" i mean things like Libya Observer/Herald. What I do is search "Libya news" each day.

Like last night I posted about pockets of resistance in a neighborhood of Sirte.
It was a PENTAGON source
And another about an Ohio man who was arrested at an airport as he sought to join ISIS in Libya. via Algeria/Tunisia.

Most of the earlier posts are about the actual 2014 civil war . Like the Bengazi bank being seized by rebels in Jan 2015
here is a pic:

When I say"alternative" I mean things like anti-war.com. here's a redact from early last year:

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2014/05/20/the-libyan-coincidence/
The Libyan intervention was the first step in the Obama/Clinton administration’s grand plan to somehow co-opt the "Arab Spring" and use it as a battering ram to extend Washington’s influence in the region.
After stumbling, at first, and backing Egyptian tyrant Hosni Mubarak against the Muslim Brotherhood’s rebellion in the streets, Washington dumped the dictator and started backing the "moderate" Islamist forces they thought they could control.

When Libya exploded, they backed the Islamists opposing him, keeping their asset Hifter in the wings to pick up the pieces.

When the inevitable occurred, and the radical Islamists started their rampage – killing Stevens and four others in the process – they were left with egg on their faces (or, rather, blood on their hands), and a burgeoning scandal that they’ve desperately tried to tamp down.

Isn’t it odd how Benghazi, a hardscrabble town with nothing much to distinguish it, has been in the news so much lately?
It was supposedly the target of Gaddafi’s murderous rage, the site where he was supposedly planning a "massacre" that necessitated the intervention of the US and its European allies – a "humanitarian disaster" that never materialized[/U]
It was then the scene of the murderous "blowback" that resulted in the first killing of an American ambassador in recent history. The latest is that it has become a battlefield on which Hifter and the pro-government Islamist militias are duking it out.

It was also said to be the site where arms were being shipped to Syrian Islamist rebels with the full knowledge and cooperation of the US government – just before Ambassador Stevens was killed.

If you don't understand General Hiftar's years in Arlinton VA - you wouldn't know he was possible CIA ( asset).
Anti war . com looks at it that way - but even if he WASN"t CIA he is still a MAJOR player.
To this day he controls the old House of Representatives that fled Tripoli to Bengazi when Tripoli airport fell to the Islamists (GNC)
after the Parliament was shelled by Hiftar ( Operation Dignity)

So you definately get the news/events. You might not get the CIA connection -but either way I'm still covering the events of the new civil war.
You'd still learn a LOT more then you would reading the NYTimes before last years piece on Hilary Clinton.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/hillary-clinton-libya.html
( The president was wary -the Sec. persuasive Hillary Clinton, ‘Smart Power’ and a Dictator’s Fall)

You are invited to look for yourself.. It just hit 10,000 views

 

[anatta]

Libyan Civil War 2014 ~ Present
http://dcjunkies.boards.net/thread/17/libyan-civil-war-2014-present

 

[anatta]

Not quite, you are saying she "set up a private server to avoid any FOIA" requests, you have no evidence to back up that claim, and the FBI investigation made no such conclusion nor did the Congressional findings. So you are just guessing, and more than likley wrong.

the FBI only looked at what it was tasked.
"Congressional findings?" individual Congresspersons comment on the use of a private server to avoid FOIA.
Congress never directly took up the question. State did, and found it illegal without prior approval.

If you bothered to think: WHY was the private server set up, when State had .gov, (unused low side)and there are zillions of private accounts WITHOUT using a private server. so WHY did she opt to build a private server,
when using gmail/yahoo.etc. were fine for her 'yoga classes.

You don't think it thru. You stop at your partisan mindset.

A conspiracy theory (as demonstrated by anatta) is hypotheses that contradict the prevailing understanding of historical or simple facts. They take actual event and dates then construe them to fit some odd view. The view becomes an article of faith, then there is no reasoning with those that believe it. Most can be dismissed with basic common sense, and logic. Lets use your notion

what conspiracy theory do I espouse?

Facts:
1) Clinton held a private E-mail server. True.

why did she use Pagliano to set up a private server, when commercial server accounts
give all the same benefits of a private account?

2) Why did she have a private E-mail account? Everybody has a private E-mail account in general.

she said it was "for convenience to use 1 device" Yet she used multiple devices at the same time

3) Does her position as Secretary of state prohibit her from having a Private E-mail server? No.

yes it does .
as her "position"
Using a private server -even for un-classified State business is a violation of the Federal Records Act

--->State Dept. watchdog: Clinton violated email rules
A State Department watchdog concluded that Hillary Clinton failed to comply with the agency’s policies on records while using a personal email server that was not — and, officials say, would never have been — approved by agency officials, according to a report released to lawmakers on Wednesday.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/hillary-clinton-email-inspector-general-report-223553

4) As Secretary is she allowed to use it to transfer classified information? No. Did she? Yes.

...

As secretary of State does she or the Government have to honor every single FOIA request made, by a citizen or organisation? No otherwise there is no such thing as classified material.

FOIA request filed in a correct manner must be honored, unless challenged by an agency. The REDACTIONS (blacking out) is how the classified info is protected.

6) Can the FBI and Congress demand her E-mails from her private server without a FOIA request? Absolutely.

power of subpeona

Given those facts did Clinton "set up her private server to avoid FOIA". No - it makes no sense given the facts. Conspiracy theories can be dismissed in the same order.

ROFL.. self serving delusions without substance..

 

[anatta]

“The State Department was her oyster and it was great for the [Clinton] foundation and great for the Clintons to be able to have such a great position,” said Whitnah, who worked in the State Department’s Office of Security Technology.

In explaining that the secretary of state is the “number one” target of foreign intelligence services, he makes it clear just how egregious it was for Clinton to use an unsecured private server.

“The number one person would be the secretary of state and their communications,” Whitnah told Fox News. “You can think of the Iran negotiations, nuclear negotiation, negotiations with Russia, talks with Russia. You know, anything to do with foreign policy.”

Whitnah dismissed Clinton’s claim that she did not send or receive information that was marked classified as a “misrepresentation.”

Smith was equally skeptical after reviewing some of the witness interviews from the FBI’s investigation of Clinton’s private server.

“I hear things like, well, I forgot, um, I don’t know that I was trained, I don’t know this,” he said. “You know — every single person that had access to that information when it was sent is in violation.”

“If you’ve got an uncleared person in there, it’s automatically a compromise,” Smith said in response to witness testimony that secure facilities for classified information within Clinton’s homes in Washington, D.C., and Chappaqua, N.Y., were not locked.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/hillary-clinton-email-inspector-general-report-223553

 

[Billy Batts]

the FBI only looked at what it was tasked.
"Congressional findings?" individual Congresspersons comment on the use of a private server to avoid FOIA.
Congress never directly took up the question. State did, and found it illegal without prior approval.

If you bothered to think: WHY was the private server set up, when State had .gov, (unused low side)and there are zillions of private accounts WITHOUT using a private server. so WHY did she opt to build a private server,
when using gmail/yahoo.etc. were fine for her 'yoga classes.

You don't think it thru. You stop at your partisan mindset.

what conspiracy theory do I espouse?

why did she use Pagliano to set up a private server, when commercial server accounts
give all the same benefits of a private account?

she said it was "for convenience to use 1 device" Yet she used multiple devices at the same time

yes it does .
as her "position"
Using a private server -even for un-classified State business is a violation of the Federal Records Act

--->State Dept. watchdog: Clinton violated email rules
A State Department watchdog concluded that Hillary Clinton failed to comply with the agency’s policies on records while using a personal email server that was not — and, officials say, would never have been — approved by agency officials, according to a report released to lawmakers on Wednesday.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/hillary-clinton-email-inspector-general-report-223553

...

FOIA request filed in a correct manner must be honored, unless challenged by an agency. The REDACTIONS (blacking out) is how the classified info is protected.

power of subpeona

ROFL.. self serving delusions without substance..

This post clearly illustrates how one can throw out known facts, to form an opinion they wish, just by making up their own facts, ignoring the obvious,and throwing common sense out the window. Easy prey for a conspiracy theory.

 

[anatta]

This post clearly illustrates how one can throw out known facts, to form an opinion they wish, just by making up their own facts, ignoring the obvious,and throwing common sense out the window. Easy prey for a conspiracy theory.

*tilt* you got nothing as usual.
it's really sad seeing a partisan mind in full denial

 

[Billy Batts]

*tilt* you got nothing as usual.
it's really sad seeing a partisan mind in full denial

This post clearly illustrates the reaction of the Conspiracy theorist; he/she has no facts to support his position. So what does the Conspiracy theorist do? Resorts to rhetoric, name calling, and accusations. The hallmark of an insecure conspiracy theorist, whose theory has fallen apart, by the use of logic,and common sense. A third grader, with only a rudimentary understanding of a topic could like wise achieve the same results.

 

[anatta]

This post clearly illustrates the reaction of the Conspiracy theorist; he/she has no facts to support his position. So what does the Conspiracy theorist do? Resorts to rhetoric, name calling, and accusations. The hallmark of insecure conspiracy theorist, whose theory has fallen apart, by the use of logic,and common sense. A third grader, with only a rudimentary understanding of a topic could like wise achieve the same results.

ROFL.. you and Rune should get a room! I completely destroyed your "arguments" with facts.
You can't get off a talking points with no basis of facts.


I showed you last page that my blog isn't "conspiracy" - you went there out of desperation,and you're still stuck on that.
Hopefully you dropped that line by now.

I don't enjoy calling you out -but you came into this thread about Libya with a bunch of nonsense,
and now you're reduced to passive aggression deflections from reality.

Learn something from this. when you're shown to be wrong, just say "OK " -no need to keep digging that hole you're in.

I don't comment on Labor law/unions - i do a bit- but I understand your knowledge is far superior then mine on that.
I'd defer to your knowledge. You should consider the same about mine on Libya

 

[Billy Batts]

ROFL.. you and Rune should get a room! I completely destroyed your "arguments" with facts.
You can't get off a talking points with no basis of facts.


I showed you last page that my blog isn't "conspiracy" - you went there out of desperation,and you're still stuck on that.
Hopefully you dropped that line by now.

I don't enjoy calling you out -but you came into this thread about Libya with a bunch of nonsense,
and now you're reduced to passive aggression deflections from reality.

Learn something from this. when you're shown to be wrong, just say "OK " -no need to keep digging that hole you're in.

I don't comment on Labor law/unions - i do a bit- but I understand your knowledge is far superior then mine on that.
I'd defer to your knowledge. You should consider the same about mine on Libya

Classic. In this post the conspiracy theorist has actual thrown out the thread topic "Hillary as Sec of State" to make the topic the conspiracy theory he has actually worked hours on building, with misinformation gathered from non tradutional sources (comic books,and such).

In the conspiracy theorist world the actual topic is their ill informed position on Libya, not "Hillary as Sec of State". In the conspiracy theorist world Hillary as Sec of State, stops at the Libyan border,and cross over to bogus sites on the internet. Again we see the same lame attempt at humor, and not much else, the declaration of "I am right" with nothing more than a conspiracy theory to back up his position.

 

[evince]

failed idiot racist liars

 

[anatta]

Classic. In this post the conspiracy theorist has actual thrown out the thread topic "Hillary as Sec of State" to make the topic the conspiracy theory he has actually worked hours on building, with misinformation gathered from non tradutional sources (comic books,and such).

In the conspiracy theorist world the actual topic is their ill informed position on Libya, not "Hillary as Sec of State". In the conspiracy theorist world Hillary as Sec of State, stops at the Libyan border,and cross over to bogus sites on the internet. Again we see the same lame attempt at humor, and not much else, the declaration of "I am right" with nothing more than a conspiracy theory to back up his position.

"Comic books" - like anti-war.com? The topic is "Hillary as Sec of State" and Libya was her primo move. The Russian reset was the other.

She was prime US advocate ( Gates called her the 51% voice in the White House NSC) & international organizer as evidenced
by the "tic toc on Libya" State dept memo.

There is also the 2 parter by the NYTimes.
There is also Obama's own statement that "Libya was his greatest failure".

Virtually every article about Libya today summarizes with "Libya has been in chaos since the death of Qaddafi' -it's boiler plate.
Clinton agitated for regime change ( making Qaddafi a military target) . She did the same (similar) in Iraq.

any attempts to down play the importance of Libya as a failed terrorist state heavily leveraged by HRClinton
is partisan scurrying -deflecting to such 'hot spots' as the Strait of Malacca

 

[Rune]

This post clearly illustrates how one can throw out known facts, to form an opinion they wish, just by making up their own facts, ignoring the obvious,and throwing common sense out the window. Easy prey for a conspiracy theory.

Prerty typical anatta exchange.
I