The Christ Haters Are At It Again Folks.

Stretch said:
As I said, whether it's breaking God's laws OR government's law the root is based in pride. As a citizen of the U.S.A., I am to obey the government's laws unless it conflicts with God's laws. That's all I'm saying.
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And who defines your god's laws for you? Back to that circular problem, huh?
 
christiefan915 said:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
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Christianity must be destroyed.

-- anti-Christianfan915
 
WillReadmore said:
I tend to agree with you. But, you, too, are overstating your case.

Throughout the history of America, living together with our different beliefs has NEVER been good enough for YOU!

I'm fine with there being people around who share your beliefs. I have no problem with laws that require Christians to be served in stores and otherwise be treated as equals. I'm OK with Christians choosing not to marry someone of the same sex. I'm OK with people who choose not to have an abortion. I' fine with hospitals operating under state and/or federal certification being required to serve Christians. etc., etc.

If you choose to live your own life, I'm fine with that.

BUT, until you accept ME do NOT give me your disgusting hypocritical "coexist" CRAP!!!
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You tend to dislike my ridicule of intolerant secularists that perform their usual vile displays every year at Christmas time which are designed to insult holiday faith based revelers. Living together with different beliefs doesn't include this annual orgy of hate from your people on a significant day that is celebrated throughout the Christian and non Christian world. It is total intolerance so don't give me this living together crap. You're not a bit interested in living together. My illustrations are for those atheists who support the first amendment, not intolerant socialists like you.
 
domer76 said:
It sure as hell did, bedwetter.

Can you telll me one more time about this virgin birth shit? How did that happen, Einstein?
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It shouldn't be hard for you to understand that a deity who created the process of procreation would be capable of triggering it.....
 
domer76 said:
You miss the point entirely.

I went through the entire childhood in schools where the Bible was read before the day began. Yep. And all the Virgin Mary birth shit. Bethlehem. The manger bullshit. 3 kings of the orient guided by that star. All wonderful stories if you have the mentality of a 10 year old. Like Ralphie and Prophet here.

My advice? Keep all that juvenile bullshit within your own cult. Then, we're all fine. But don't come on a public forum like this and try to sell me the bullshit that Mommy was a virgin, that he rose people from the dead and walked on water. And, according to Ralphie, that it's "science".

Go to church. Pray to whatever the fuck god you think will give you some eternal life. Give your money to that church that proclaims your god needs that money as a demonstration of your "faith". But don't come here, piss in my leg and tell me it's raining. I know better.

(Would that be raining for 40 days and 40 nights? That's a lot of piss!)
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You're disgusting, you pervert. You filthy mouthed, morally bankrupt communist leftist.

I put my faith in a four hundred year old man. You celebrate the reality of a communist dictator in Russia who murdered millions of his own people.

You're disgusting. An intolerant ass hole. A relativist with his morals in the bilges.
 
christiefan915 said:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
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What do you think about this? Personally I think it is downright disgusting, the council is weak and pathetic.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...htstown-Indiana-religious-symbols-not-allowed

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WillReadmore said:
As long as your religion is used as a method of specifying how I must behave, I can't possibly consider letting this go.
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MY religion ?....hardly....no ones religion dictates to you how you must behave in this country, but the society you choose to live in does....if this particular society bothers

you ...leave or just stfu, thats what this society's laws allow....try Iran and experience what it really means to have others dictate how you will and MUST behave.

So your problem isn't a problem at all....you're a free man.
 
domer76 said:
And who defines your god's laws for you? Back to that circular problem, huh?
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There is no "circle". God's law's are defined with no ambiguity whatsoever....in the very source of Christian Doctrine. The Holy Bible. There could be no Christianity if there was no historical record like the BIBLE.

God's Law's simply define SIN. Sin is a choice of breaking those defined laws. Law does not make a particular action right or wrong....it just states what currently exists.

Example. The law of gravity. Gravity existed long before someone came up with THE LAW OF GRAVITY. The law of gravity simply explains how gravity works...or the quantifiable potential of gravity. But the law did not create gravity...gravity always has existed.

And....your denial of these Laws that define sin....does not make sin null and void. The sin still exists just as it has always existed. There is no excuse.
 
Stretch said:
There is one common thread though in breaking government laws and God's laws. Pride. Breaking any law is a result of "I know better than _____ (fill in the blank).
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I've heard that, too, but I don't give it any credit. Nobody who burgles thinks their act should be legal. Very few murderers think they should be allowed to murder.

More importantly, that isn't the area of conflict.

The area of conflict is that Christians want to use sin as a basis for law, thus harnessing government as well as justifying personal acts of hate in going after those who sin.

But, of course they don't mean that in general - they've just picked certain sins for government to be used in that way.

For example, Christians want to use government to deny basic rights to same sex couples - while at the same time ignoring those who stole the homes of millions of American citizens.

They want cover of law to discriminate in their stores, restaurants, hotels, etc. as if this were the 1950's and these people were of the wrong color.
 
Ralph said:
There is no "circle". God's law's are defined with no ambiguity whatsoever....in the very source of Christian Doctrine. The Holy Bible. There could be no Christianity if there was no historical record like the BIBLE.

God's Law's simply define SIN. Sin is a choice of breaking those defined laws. Law does not make a particular action right or wrong....it just states what currently exists.

Example. The law of gravity. Gravity existed long before someone came up with THE LAW OF GRAVITY. The law of gravity simply explains how gravity works...or the quantifiable potential of gravity. But the law did not create gravity...gravity always has existed.
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Example: The seven deadly sins.

We have NO law against greed, envy, sloth, etc. They may be "sin" in your religion, but they are not law.

Example: the 10c

We have NO law against more than half the 10c. And the ones where there IS law, the law would be made regardless of whether there was such a thing as the Bible, or Christianity - as numerous civilizations prove.
 
philly rabbit said:
You tend to dislike my ridicule of intolerant secularists that perform their usual vile displays every year at Christmas time which are designed to insult holiday faith based revelers. Living together with different beliefs doesn't include this annual orgy of hate from your people on a significant day that is celebrated throughout the Christian and non Christian world. It is total intolerance so don't give me this living together crap. You're not a bit interested in living together. My illustrations are for those atheists who support the first amendment, not intolerant socialists like you.
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Poor you. You have one day a year where you really just want your God to be lauded by all! Sorry.

YOU, on the other hand, are co-opting the power of government to impose your religion on others who do not share your belief.

Surely there is no way to propose that your hurt feelings over Christmas are in ANY WAY an excuse for making laws to force others to conform to your religion for no reason other than that it happens to be your religion.


Oh, and YOU are the socialist if you think you can use government to force me to align with your religion.

Plus, you really need to reread the 1st amendment if you think it says you can do that.
 
WillReadmore said:
I've heard that, too, but I don't give it any credit. Nobody who burgles thinks their act should be legal. Very few murderers think they should be allowed to murder.

More importantly, that isn't the area of conflict.

The area of conflict is that Christians want to use sin as a basis for law, thus harnessing government as well as justifying personal acts of hate in going after those who sin.

But, of course they don't mean that in general - they've just picked certain sins for government to be used in that way.

For example, Christians want to use government to deny basic rights to same sex couples - while at the same time ignoring those who stole the homes of millions of American citizens.

They want cover of law to discriminate in their stores, restaurants, hotels, etc. as if this were the 1950's and these people were of the wrong color.
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Interesting....
The area of conflict is that Christians want to use sin as a basis for law, thus harnessing government as well as justifying personal acts of hate in going after those who sin.
Christians want to use government to deny basic rights to same sex couples - while at the same time ignoring those who stole the homes of millions of American citizens.

As opposed to Atheists, Buddhists, Jews, Muslims and the like, who want to give human rights to everyone and don't use laws to enforce what they see as sin....

very interesting logic.....:) Damn Christians!

Why not take this entire discussion to some religious website where it would be appreciated.....
 
NOVA said:
Interesting....
The area of conflict is that Christians want to use sin as a basis for law, thus harnessing government as well as justifying personal acts of hate in going after those who sin.
Christians want to use government to deny basic rights to same sex couples - while at the same time ignoring those who stole the homes of millions of American citizens.

As opposed to Atheists, Buddhists, Jews, Muslims and the like, who want to give human rights to everyone and don't use laws to enforce what they see as sin....

very interesting logic.....:) Damn Christians!
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I don't really see it as "Damn Christians", because I think many disagree.

Same sex marriage, is a common example of the effort to make law that is purely based on religion. But, in our Christian majority nation, those who want laws against same sex marriage are perhaps not even 40% of our population.

I think it is really more a matter of Christian extremists plus the partisan political efforts to win elections by whipping up religious fervor regardless of the logic of the argument.
 
WillReadmore said:
I think it is really more a matter of Christian extremists plus the partisan political efforts to win elections by whipping up religious fervor regardless of the logic of the argument.
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odd, I always thought it was a matter of gay rights extremists plus partisan political efforts to win elections by whipping up liberal fervor regardless of the will of society.......
 
What you say is basically true... but its certainly not just Christians.....

The point is....no matter where you exist in the world, you will be part of some society, a society with customs and beliefs on how its members will behave....
and religion may or may not be relevant in that society...either way, you will live by their rules or you will perish unless you convince them to obey you and your
version of how things should be and what others should believe...and thats a losing battle.

or find yourself some cave to live alone and do anything your little heart desires....

If you choose to live in the company of others, be prepared to adjust to a life with rules set down by that majority (mob rule), elected leaders, or dictators, whatever that society
offers you......or fight a losing battle....

Maybe its YOU trying to force your beliefs on others that choose to believe in something else. I saw no one try to convert you .... only you ridiculing their views.

You see them living in their ignorance and they see you living in your ignorance....life is a two way street, get used to it.
 
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