I used to think Russia gate was nothing.

Jarod said:
Funny, call me what you want, its significantly different.

You are so desperate to claim there is nothing there, like when Rump was the Birther-in-Chief, like when he is now the Wiretapper in Chief. His supporters are so gullible you are willing to follow him from Conspiracy theory lie to Conspiracy theory lie over and over again.
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Not giving a fuck is not the same as believing. I don't care if he is telling the truth or not. Hillary was kept out of office. If Trump had to cheat to do it. I am good with it.
 
Jarod said:
Another thing that makes me believe there is something is how incredibly defensive Rump is being. Trying to block every attempt to look into it.

The way Flynn was let go, not when Rump found out, but only when the NYT reported the Russian connection. Rump knew 18 days before the NYT Story, and only fired Flynn the day after the story. The denials and shifting rhetoric. They used to say, "I never met with any Russian officials" now they say, "We never had any illegal contact with Russian officials".

Manafort, Flynn, Sessions, and several others had very significant contact.

The FBI does not investigate without reason to do so.
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Sessions had incidental contact as part of being a Senator with the Russian ambassador-ordinary contact

Flynn had contact with the same -Flynn's real sin was working as an undisclosed lobbyist for Erdogan (Turkey).

Manafort is the only one that appears to have any (3rd party) political connection to Putin.

None of this is "Russian collusion"-the only thing that matters.
 
lol..so much for that.. Tillerson has extensive ties worldwide-not just with Russia.

I give him some credit for repairing SA relations back to some understanding of the regional powers alliances.

He's not going to be able to undo the Russiaphobia that has led to a new arms race, due to Obama fecklessnes
but any small step is an improvement there.
 
I Love America said:
Not giving a fuck is not the same as believing. I don't care if he is telling the truth or not. Hillary was kept out of office. If Trump had to cheat to do it. I am good with it.
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Why didn't someone ask Comey to categorically deny that Trump/Trump Tower wasn't under electronic surveillance of any kind?

Why do I have a hunch it would have warranted a 'can't confirm or deny' since the investigation has been ongoing since July?

Maybe it helps if you want believe Trump is lying. Otherwise, the whole business is pretty shakey.
 
Darth Omar said:
Why didn't someone ask Comey to categorically deny that Trump/Trump Tower wasn't under electronic surveillance of any kind?

Why do I have a hunch it would have warranted a 'can't confirm or deny' since the investigation has been ongoing since July?

Maybe it helps if you want believe Trump is lying. Otherwise, the whole business is pretty shakey.
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You REALLY still think Trump is telling the truth?

Seriously?
 
anatta said:
Sessions had incidental contact as part of being a Senator with the Russian ambassador-ordinary contact

Flynn had contact with the same -Flynn's real sin was working as an undisclosed lobbyist for Erdogan (Turkey).

Manafort is the only one that appears to have any (3rd party) political connection to Putin.

None of this is "Russian collusion"-the only thing that matters.
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The problem becomes, why did they all lie about it? If it was so innocent, why not just tell the truth?
 
Jarod said:
I never really believed the conspiracy theory that Rump worked with Russia to help him with the election. I thought it was born out of the "Joke" Rump made about asking Russia to find more of Hillary's emails.
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So did Russia EVER come up with, publish, hack or expose ANY of Hillary Clinton's emails, Jarod ?
 
Darth Omar said:
Why didn't someone ask Comey to categorically deny that Trump/Trump Tower wasn't under electronic surveillance of any kind?

Why do I have a hunch it would have warranted a 'can't confirm or deny' since the investigation has been ongoing since July?

Maybe it helps if you want believe Trump is lying. Otherwise, the whole business is pretty shakey.
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Rump Tower is a big building, I am sure it has been under surveillance at some point or another, its not the same as Obama recently wiretapping Rump and doing something sick or watergateish.
 
Jarod said:
The problem becomes, why did they all lie about it? If it was so innocent, why not just tell the truth?
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sessions didn't lie as much as Franken tells you he did.
Flynn lied to Pence
Manafort looks for plausible deniability,but I'm not buying it.
 
Jarod said:
Rump Tower is a big building, I am sure it has been under surveillance at some point or another, its not the same as Obama recently wiretapping Rump and doing something sick or watergateish.
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So you're now admitting Trump Tower was under surveillance ?....
 
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