Renewable Energy Sets Record in USA

Rune said:
Lets not since your own report says .5 ton of coal per ton of steel.
Next lets look at the context, India, China and other semi-developed countries being the main users of the 1850s era blast furnace design, while the modern world uses the so called mini-mill or electric furnace which use only enough coal to balance the carbon content at .02 percent, barely a trace amount.
I am not saying you are lying but you sure are ignorant.

Lastly and most importantly,
Virtually everything uses steel in its construction.
If nothing else the the result is that fossil fuels, including gas ( natural) coal and oil MUST be used for manufacturing feedstocks.
Someday children will ask, in bewilderment,
Why did we burn the oil and coal?

Of course the truly hypocritical aspect of this jarringly insipid argument is that every form of power generation be it nuclear, coal fired or whatever requires vast amounts of steel for it's construction, nevermind concrete.
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Holy fuck, you continue to make up shit even with the graphic in front of you!!

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Rune said:
Seriously, shit fer brains, most electromagnets are coils wrapped around permanent magnets.
Didn't you study anything in college besides female anatomy?
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Let's get back to the bullshit you originally spouted ffs. You tried to claim power station generators used rare earths. I told you that they use electromagnets, not permanent magnets. Wind turbines use permanent magnets enhanced with neodymium to increase the magnetic field. Please don't bother me any more because I can only handle so much shit from you in a day!

So now you are doing what you always do when caught with your pants down try and bluff your way out of it.

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Rune said:
Lets not since your own report says .5 ton of coal per ton of steel.
Next lets look at the context, India, China and other semi-developed countries being the main users of the 1850s era blast furnace design, while the modern world uses the so called mini-mill or electric furnace which use only enough coal to balance the carbon content at .02 percent, barely a trace amount.
I am not saying you are lying but you sure are ignorant.

Lastly and most importantly,
Virtually everything uses steel in its construction.
If nothing else the the result is that fossil fuels, including gas ( natural) coal and oil MUST be used for manufacturing feedstocks.
Someday children will ask, in bewilderment,
Why did we burn the oil and coal?

Of course the truly hypocritical aspect of this jarringly insipid argument is that every form of power generation be it nuclear, coal fired or whatever requires vast amounts of steel for it's construction, nevermind concrete.
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You're a truly annoying arsehole, we know they all use steel and concrete but it's all about the amounts used relative to megawatts produced and wind turbines are especially poor. Read the graphic ffs.

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I Love America said:
Just saying I am wrong isn't enough. Explain why I am wrong. Explain why the 2nd law of thermodynamics doesn't apply?

Sure you can make water flow uphill but it takes work. It is more EFFICIENT for water to flow downhill

I have gone out of my way to explain why I am right. If you can't do better than "you are wrong" then I can only assume that you can't explain and pride has gotten in the way. In that event I humbly accept your concession.
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No shit. Now explain to me how that makes alternative energies "break" the laws of thermodynamics. What alternative energies are trying to make more energy than they create? None of them. You are not right. You are however digging yourself a deeper hole and really showing you do not know jack shit of which you speak.
 
Sailor said:
No shit. Now explain to me how that makes alternative energies "break" the laws of thermodynamics. What alternative energies are trying to make more energy than they create? None of them. You are not right. You are however digging yourself a deeper hole and really showing you do not know jack shit of which you speak.
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Why are you being such a difficult cunt? Why are you claiming I said things I never said? I won't defend a position I never took.

I said that solar and wind cannot be as efficient as oil, natural gas and coal. Thermodynamics dictate it.

It is like saying if you work hard enough you can be as fast a swimmer as Michael Phelps. You can't.

Science and technology will never be able to make solar and wind as efficient and thus cost effective as oil, natural gas and coal.

That doesn't mean they don't have value. It means that those who have this notion that we will eliminate oil, coal and natural gas are delusional.

I am not sure how much more clear to make my position. If you insist on misrepresenting what I am saying you can go fuck yourself
 
Alice in Liberaland said:
Why are you being such a difficult cunt? Why are you claiming I said things I never said? I won't defend a position I never took.

I said that solar and wind cannot be as efficient as oil, natural gas and coal. Thermodynamics dictate it.

It is like saying if you work hard enough you can be as fast a swimmer as Michael Phelps. You can't.

Science and technology will never be able to make solar and wind as efficient and thus cost effective as oil, natural gas and coal.

That doesn't mean they don't have value. It means that those who have this notion that we will eliminate oil, coal and natural gas are delusional.

I am not sure how much more clear to make my position. If you insist on misrepresenting what I am saying you can go fuck yourself
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Go back and read what you wrote. Apparently dementia is setting in you old fuck. Then come on back and state you never said it.
 
Sailor said:
Go back and read what you wrote. Apparently dementia is setting in you old fuck. Then come on back and state you never said it.
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I have made my point crystal clear. You are obviously too stupid to understand.

I am accepting your concession and kicking you to the curb
 
Alice in Liberaland said:
I have made my point crystal clear. You are obviously too stupid to understand.

I am accepting your concession and kicking you to the curb
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I would not expect anything other than you running away from your complete lack of education and claiming victory. Go back to school dumbfuck. Seriously.
 
Sailor said:
I would not expect anything other than you running away from your complete lack of education and claiming victory. Go back to school dumbfuck. Seriously.
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I am not running away. I am acknowledging that it is no use going forward with you.

You claim to know more but just say I am wrong without offering any further explanation.

Good day. I have accepted your concession. No need to respond.
 
Alice in Liberaland said:
I am not running away. I am acknowledging that it is no use going forward with you.

You claim to know more but just say I am wrong without offering any further explanation.

Good day. I have accepted your concession. No need to respond.
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Like I said, a pussy running away. Just because you got your ass handed to you again is no reason to piss yourself and curl up in the fetal position.
 
Milagro said:
Why are you always such a lying cunt?

Coal & Steel

Global steel production is dependent on coal. 70% of the steel produced today uses coal. Metallurgical coal – or coking coal – is a vital ingredient in the steel making process. World crude steel production was 1.4 billion tonnes in 2010. Around 721 million tonnes of coking coal was used in the production of steel.

721 million tons of coal per 1,400 million tons of steel. Let’s just say 1 ton of coal per ton of steel.

1 MW of wind turbine capacity requires 230 tons of coal for the steel.

https://debunkhouse.wordpress.com/2013/09/12/how-much-coal-goes-into-a-wind-turbine/
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Yes, Tom lets look at your chart.
Wind, after construction; zero coal burned.
Coal, 5500 tons per megawatt per year.

Ignorant buffoon.
 
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