Oh my Fucking God!

It's socialist injustice.

Happy?



LOL. That was good man.

IMO--the money should go to income tax payers only.

I have a question I need to know the answer to. Is this money going back to the people going to be taxed as income? If it is not my money, then it is a gift, and I don't have to pay taxes on a gift under 10,000 dollars.
 
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If you pay income taxes---that money is yours. Income taxes are the only taxes I have issue with. I believe Ron Paul that if we had no income tax or IRS, we would have the same amount of money to fund the government we had a short 10 years ago.


According to the IRS tables everyone pays income taxes.
 
translation: I just got pwnt by my own words and now I'm trying to back track even thought I explicity stated that the middle class tax rebates aren't handouts.

maybe you forgot what you wrote, I'll post it again to remind you:
Since when is getting your own money back a hand-out? If you're middle class it's no handout.

You mixed two points. You lose on the first point, which is that I am obviously not "you people" within the broad context you used in your post. Trog 1, T 0.

Secondly, returning to me something which is all ready mine, is not a hand-out. Trog 2, T 0.

Try again?
 
Its not just what class they are from.

It who they owe favors to

I think it is both. People like you and I have the integrity not to let them scratch our backs against the American people best interest. Lets face it--most people did not gt rich by caring about other people first. Me, personally, I will earn everything I can--but not at our own peoples expense. Every election--we hear people saying "we pick the best of evils"--and IMO those words should never be thought and never would be said with a fair and balanced election process.
 
I think it is both. People like you and I have the integrity not to let them scratch our backs against the American people best interest. Lets face it--most people did not gt rich by caring about other people first. Me, personally, I will earn everything I can--but not at our own peoples expense. Every election--we hear people saying "we pick the best of evils"--and IMO those words should never be thought and never would be said with a fair and balanced election process.


Having money does not preclude a person from being a decent honest person. There are many who make their money in honest decent ways.

I judge on the content of their souls and actions not size of their bank account.
 
Trog the poor pay taxes every day. There are many ways to pay taxes other than income taxes.

If they get rebates it is their money also.
This is an income tax rebate according to what the House has proffered. Strawman.
 
According to the IRS tables everyone pays income taxes.

According to Warren Buffet---if he did not want to, he would not havfe had to pay one dime for most of his adult life. (you can check that out on a PBS broadcast called "Bill and Warren go back to school"---or was it Warren and Bill go back to school?)

Of course the IRS will say everybody pays income taxes--they have to say that. The fact is millions of people don't, and not all are rich. I know two working class people personally that don't pay. Actually, I think one started paying again--but he has no restutition, saw no jail time and did not pay for about a decade. These two guys know the facts enough to stay out of jail. Another fact is a lot of IRS agents do not pay income taxes either because they know they do not have to by real law in this country--but you will never hear a active IRS agent admitt that either. Former employees have, and the IRS has no record of their fileings--because they don't exist.

I just heard this on Headline yesterday. I may have the figure wrong--but their estimation of non income taxk payers was around 40 million. It may have been 4 million--but I thought I heard 40 or 45 million.

lady--I have not paid income taxes yet for 2007 (my first year full time self employed)--and I can't believe how free I feel. Anybody that works and pays almost all extra money in taxes may just feel that the three years it takes for the IRS to catch up to non filers (new non filiers)--will be worth it. It will be --without any doubt--the best three years of their lives.
 
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I will earn everything I can--but not at our own peoples expense.


This is why your not allowed in the special secret pyramid club. You are not fully trustworthy until you are personally dependant on the innate abusiveness of the hierarchy, and when you outright state you never will be, well, you're just an enemy of the state. DOH!

"But i've done nothing!"

"That makes you the mastermind."

dunt dunt dunt dunt
 
This is why your not allowed in the special secret pyramid club. You are not fully trustworthy until you are personally dependant on the innate abusiveness of the hierarchy, and when you outright state you never will be, well, you're just an enemy of the state. DOH!

"But i've done nothing!"

"That makes you the mastermind."

dunt dunt dunt dunt



Not with the power of the people behind you----in any country. The elite forgo that power for the power of money instead. I firmly believe the most power is with the people--no matter where you live.
 
You mixed two points. You lose on the first point, which is that I am obviously not "you people" within the broad context you used in your post. Trog 1, T 0.

Secondly, returning to me something which is all ready mine, is not a hand-out. Trog 2, T 0.

Try again?

Actually Trog, you're waaaaaaaay off base. I specifically referred to people who don't consider middle rebates hand-outs but consider poor people who get money back as hand-outs, despite the fact that, contrary to popular belief, actually DO pay taxes. A few minutes later you chime with EXACTLY what I said. Trog: 0/ Tiana: +1

Secondly, you stop using roads and other publicly funded endeavors, you we can talk about money that "yours". Otherwise, this a piss poor point.

Final count:

Trog: 0 /Tiana: +2.
 
Only if you ignore the amount that is "returned". The lower levels are net tax receivers rather than payers. However they do pay payroll taxes, which is a whole different mess.

That may be the case in some instances and it may not be in most. You'd have to be very specific about income levels and goverment services handed back. My point is that, people always tend to jump down the throats of poor people in general when they get money back which they pay out, yet seem to have a sense of justice when they get money back from that same institution. As seen in this thread.
 
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