Executive order on Obamacare

Trump Diva said:
What happens when the insurers go out of business?

The govt will take over the healthcare system
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In essence, trump is too stupid to realize that he's moving us toward SP? By law, insurers are required to adjust premiums for low income individuals who purchase insurance on the exchanges.

The cost sharing, and now defunct risk corridor program (that House Republicans killed) were the means to compensate insurers for the first 3 years of ACA.

Because the risk corridor payments were never made, it skewed the entire model.


So trump is essentially giving the finger to the insurance companies, while believing he's going to get Congress to kill ACA and it's pesky taxes on multi millionaires.

It's rather quaint having a moron in charge of the country.
 
Trump Diva said:
It will be a losing proposition. People go into business to make money, not lose it. Unless the current markets can be stabilized, it will become obsolete.

Simply cutting off the subsidies without a viable option is not a fix.

I'm curious, do you also believe the myth "the insurance companies are making extreme profits from Obamacare"?
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I don't have an opinion on that.

But I can tell you that making multiple assumptions can lead to faulty predictions. Your first assumption is that Insurance companies will go out of business without the manifestly unconstitutional subsidies. Your second assumption is that the government will move in with single payer. Neither assumption is a given, by a long shot.

Either assumption turns out to be wrong, and you will be wrong. If you want to wear the mantle of 'prescient' or debate board seer lol, avoid making multiple assumptions as a basis for your predictions.
 
floridafan said:
Think the worst, the absolute worst. Now just as before the ACA, people will be able to buy cheap health insurance. This in not inexpensive insurance but cheap insurance that won't cover them when they actually have a serious hospitalization.
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I thought you lefties believed in freedom and choice?
 
Althea said:
Herein lies the crux of the issue. Healthcare should not be a for profit venture.
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Herein lies the crux of the issue. The federal government should not be in the healthcare coverage business. The federal government should not tax one person in order to fund something for another person unwilling to provide (fill in the blank) to themselves.
 
Stretch said:
True enough. Then the only ones who offer "care of one's health" are medical practitioners.
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Yes....and Big Pharma, which is profit driven. Big Ins, which is profit driven is the way healthcare is paid for today, because Dr visits don't cost $25 anymore.
You weren't bothered in the least when that Shkreli jacked up the price of epi pens?
 
Stretch said:
Bothered? No. Ouraged? Yes.
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But you agree that the system allows for such things, and there's no better system in the world? Or that company that stopped manufacturing a chemo drug because the patent expired, and it wasn't 'worth' it anymore?

You really think we cannot do better than a profit driven system?
 
Althea said:
Health insurance is a product. Healthcare is a service
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Meaningless distinction since many products are delivered during the service of healthcare.

One way to drive costs down would be forcing hospitals and practitioners to advertise the costs of their service. That would allow consumers to shop according to price like they do, literally, for every other service/product.

There are at least two ways I know of to laparoscopically remove an appendix. One is with an expensive stapler that cuts and seals the tissue all in one step. It works wonderfully but it's frightfully expensive. The other method is relatively low-tech but produces the same result. The patient would have absolutely no clue which method was used.

Surgeons and other practitioners should be required to have 'an average cost per procedure' posted somewhere so patients would be better informed at how much their insurance is going to be billed. It would encourage practitioners to employ more cost effective measures in treating people. Does patient X really need such and such test or is the doctor practicing defensive medicine in ordering it?

A big part of the problem is the cost of healthcare delivery has gotten totally out of hand. Yet, no one ever talks about a cost approach to the problem.
 
Darth Omar said:
Meaningless distinction since many products are delivered during the service of healthcare.

One way to drive costs down would be forcing hospitals and practitioners to advertise the costs of their service. That would allow consumers to shop according to price like they do, literally, for every other service/product.

There are at least two ways I know of to laparoscopically remove an appendix. One is with an expensive stapler that cuts and seals the tissue all in one step. It works wonderfully but it's frightfully expensive. The other method is relatively low-tech but produces the same result. The patient would have absolutely no clue which method was used.

Surgeons and other practitioners should be required to have 'an average cost per procedure' posted somewhere so patients would be better informed at how much their insurance is going to be billed. It would encourage practitioners to employ more cost effective measures in treating people. Does patient X really need such and such test or is the doctor practicing defensive medicine in ordering it?

A big part of the problem is the cost of healthcare delivery has gotten totally out of hand. Yet, no one ever talks about a cost approach to the problem.
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i remember back when attorneys couldn't advertise. there was talk that advertising would bring down the quality of legal services.
Of course that was bogus. I see no reason not to advertise medical costs
 
noise said:
i remember back when attorneys couldn't advertise. there was talk that advertising would bring down the quality of legal services.
Of course that was bogus. I see no reason not to advertise medical costs
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Because there is no good reason not to lol.

I think it could be a game changer but the issue has been confined to health insurance. You can't blame health insurance for the cost of their product when the cost of their product is tied directly to the cost of healthcare. Bring the cost of healthcare down, and the cost of health insurance will follow.

Especially, if they would force health insurers to compete across state lines.
 
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