Trump Administration moves to end legal marijuana.

CFM said:
But you aren't saying what makes the law stupid other than you don't agree with it.
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Incorrect. I've already noted where I begin.

Let's bring this around, is every law that passes "smart" regardless of the consequences of the action because you simply support government action in all cases regardless of whether the power to pass that particular law is in the constitution or not?

I seriously doubt that you think that.

What makes this particular law stupid? Experience. Long ago we tried prohibition on a drug that is used by most of the population. It caused a black market with the violence that comes with it. Instead of learning from the past we simply repeat it here. IMO, that makes it stupid.

However, in the case of a law as stupid as this particular one where MJ and Heroin are the "same" and worse somehow than cocaine therefore we need to empower gangs to shoot each other in the streets because we said so is absurd.

The continued argument today is that we should put these people in jail because. The reality: these states have shown that the drug isn't more dangerous than cocaine and that less children are using it where it has been legalized....
 
Bigdog said:
As in the irony ... that there are no votes?

Or as in ... the Dem party has created a false narrative that they are pro-weed ... and no liberal dare question it?
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I am leaning toward trying to keep the less extreme Dems pacified. It is just a thought, although the move to legalize t/o seems to come from the left, and no matter how some on the extreme right are protesting, more and more states will come on board.

Damocles said:
I can only give my opinion on this. (I don't want to read the thread).

I am a small government libertarian-leaning conservative all the time, even when some idiot wants to put a bunch of people in jail for smoking a joint. I don't believe that "well it's illegal" justifies enforcing stupid laws as if that stupid drug is the bane of society. This doesn't mean I smoke or want to smoke marijuana, it just means that the government is way too deep into our lives already, we need them to back off.
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Spot on.
 
Damocles said:
I am saying that stupid laws tend to make politicians sound like idiots when they defend them.
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In actual fact heroin isn't that dangerous, there are people that have functioned for decades whilst taking it. What is dangerous though is taking impure heroin cut with all kinds of shit. Indeed many overdose because they suddenly get a new supply which is purer than they are used taking. I am talking specifically about injecting not chasing the dragon. I hasten to say that I've never taken the stuff myself but knew a good few that did when I was younger.

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CFM said:
But you aren't saying what makes the law stupid other than you don't agree with it.
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"Twenty-nine states and the District of Columbia currently have laws broadly legalizing marijuana in some form. Seven states and the District of Columbia have adopted the most expansive laws legalizing marijuana for recreational use."

Washington D.C. needs to change the Federal law and butt out of the States' business on this one. It's time.
 
CFM said:
You claim to support responsibilities with rights. If one of those potheads from the "calm crowd" gets smoked up, gets in a car, and kills an innocent person do you support the pothead being convicted and going to jail for a long time on the first offense?
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We have dui laws, so yeah, treat it like any under the influence offense.

CFM said:
What I've noticed in the responsibilities with rights claims is that they focus on the rights and forget about the responsibilities when situations like the one I mention happen. It becomes rights then excuses.
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Not really, CFM, no drugs, legals or prescribed, no other impairment...lack of sleep, illness, no alcohol, no texting, it all falls under personal responsibility.
 
blackascoal said:
Post where I've said there is no down side to anything. There is a down-side to almost everything.

I posted the video because you sound as if you watch it everyday.

Marijuana is not the drug you think it is.
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I smoked it a lot in college. But long term use can make ppl a little crazy. Its not good for you.
 
Irish said:
they aren't a drug that makes you paranoid/crazy.
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Pot doesn't either.

Many legal things, in excess, are bad for us in a lot of ways. Do you want the government determining that, and regulating it?

Should alcohol be illegal? That is far worse than marijuana on basically every level.
 
Lovebug said:
I am leaning toward trying to keep the less extreme Dems pacified. It is just a thought, although the move to legalize t/o seems to come from the left, and no matter how some on the extreme right are protesting, more and more states will come on board.
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Sorry, I don't see any difference between Dem congress critters and Jeff Sessions on MJ. No difference at all.
 
Thing1 said:
Pot doesn't either.

Many legal things, in excess, are bad for us in a lot of ways. Do you want the government determining that, and regulating it?

Should alcohol be illegal? That is far worse than marijuana on basically every level.
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Alcohol doesn't make you think the police are after you, and the govt controls the weather.
 
Irish said:
I smoked it a lot in college. But long term use can make ppl a little crazy. Its not good for you.
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You could say that about pretty much any drug. Use of alcohol not only can make you a "little crazy" it can literally change the chemistry of your brain and when truly addicted can literally kill you when you try to stop.

This argument doesn't change the reality. The level of "danger" they assign to a drug that has been shown to provide great relief to people with seizures, parkinson's, PTSS, and other anxiety issues has reached the level of absurd knee-jerk reaction. The argument has reached the Damocles' simpleton's rule: When the only justification for putting people in jail is "it is illegal" then you have no justification at all to continue to put people's lives in danger by causing and then fighting the black market.
 
Irish said:
Alcohol doesn't make you think the police are after you, and the govt controls the weather.
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MJ doesn't make you think the government is after you either, the fact it is illegal at the same level as heroin with the long incarceration that goes along with it that causes that. Sometimes people think the government is after them because the government has demonstrated it is after them.
 
we really should stop pretending to be a nation built upon consent of the governed, individual liberties and person responsibility when our elected leaders can continue with this nonsense.

more then half the states have now ruled they want medical use of this drug. The people have had their say. If you can't accept it, you are not in this for freedom, you are a fucking dictator wannabe
 
Irish said:
Alcohol doesn't make you think the police are after you, and the govt controls the weather.
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If that's what pot did to you ... nobody would smoke.

Not every pot smoker is Jeff Spicoli, lol.
 
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