Trump Administration moves to end legal marijuana.

[Teflon Don]

LOL, that's why I'm a Hillary supporter? Ok dude.

McCain and Romney were never in office so there is no comparison to Trump.

So you have no actual argument other than it's a personal thing.

I have asked you numerous times how your conservative beliefs have not been upheld by Trump actions. You won’t answer because you can’t.

You would have to admit you were wrong and you obviously don’t have the balls to do it.

I had very good conservative reasons for not supporting McShamnesty. Your reasons were your little liberal feels.

You are a classic RINO. You aren’t a conservative. You just like to talk. No action. Now hit the bar.

 

[cawacko]

I have asked you numerous times how your conservative beliefs have not been upheld by Trump actions. You won’t answer because you can’t.

You would have to admit you were wrong and you obviously don’t have the balls to do it.

I had very good conservative reasons for not supporting McShamnesty. Your reasons were your little liberal feels.

You are a classic RINO. You aren’t a conservative. You just like to talk. No action. Now hit the bar.

You fancy yourself a conservative and me a RINO. On what basis? Your feelings?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Well if you believe in the medicinal properties of pot, you believe in voodoo. But I don’t discount the placebo effect

do you have 3 separate sources of differing bias that concludes the same as you do? or do you just propose to feel smarter than anyone else?

 

[Teflon Don]

You fancy yourself a conservative and me a RINO. On what basis? Your feelings?

Based on fact. You support open borders. You love illegal immigration.

You post about conservative priorities, but when they are being implemented right under your nose, you ignore it because to acknowledge that Trump is implementing conservative policies would require you to admit you were wrong. You are obviously incapable of doing that. That makes you worse than a liberal in my book.

My bey is that in 2020 you will be touting douchebag Kasich as a nominee.

But hey you love Romney because he brought gubmint healthcare to Mass

And you love McCain because he votes against tax cuts and voted to keep Obamacare

Good for you

 

[cawacko]

Based on fact. You support open borders. You love illegal immigration.

You post about conservative priorities, but when they are being implemented right under your nose, you ignore it because to acknowledge that Trump is implementing conservative policies would require you to admit you were wrong. You are obviously incapable of doing that. That makes you worse than a liberal in my book.

My bey is that in 2020 you will be touting douchebag Kasich as a nominee.

But hey you love Romney because he brought gubmint healthcare to Mass

And you love McCain because he votes against tax cuts and voted to keep Obamacare

Good for you

So this is all about immigration? I knew it was that and race.

Conservatism to you is keeping America white with less immigrants. That's all that matters.

The rest is just personal stuff

 

[Teflon Don]

do you have 3 separate sources of differing bias that concludes the same as you do? or do you just propose to feel smarter than anyone else?

I have looked at the data

There is one use and that is for nausea. But there is an FDA approved drug for that, but then you wouldn’t get high would you? So smoking dope for this purpose is a scam.

I get it. Your life is miserable and you hide it with weed. I am not going to take your bong. I promise.

 

[Damocles]

Nothing silly about it. I showed where they can be just as dangerous.

Are you saying 2nd and 3rd degree burns from a sunburn aren't as severe as 2nd and 3rd degrees burns from a gasoline fire? That's either what you have to say or your original statement is inaccurate.

Silly. The reality is, yeah sunburn is dangerous (as I said), but not nearly as often as pouring gasoline on yourself and setting it on fire is dangerous. My analogy stands, and your refutation is a false equivalence fallacy. The vast majority of people who have had sunburns never had a life threatening condition, the vast majority of people who have poured gasoline on themselves then set it on fire have.

Your absurdity is exactly that.

 

[Damocles]

I have looked at the data

There is one use and that is for nausea. But there is an FDA approved drug for that, but then you wouldn’t get high would you? So smoking dope for this purpose is a scam.

I get it. Your life is miserable and you hide it with weed. I am not going to take your bong. I promise.

You've not read the "data". You've made a selective choice to ignore evidence. Below I used WebMD as a source, there are other uses but this is a decent accepted usage list.

The first reason is for chronic pain, and doctors who prescribe it do it so they are not addicting their patients to opioids. Below is a list of "other" options, only one of which is your "one reason".

https://www.webmd.com/pain-management/features/medical-marijuana-uses

Doctors also may prescribe medical marijuana to treat:

Muscle spasms caused by multiple sclerosis
Nausea from cancer chemotherapy (this is the "one thing" according to your "exhaustive" research)
Poor appetite and weight loss caused by chronic illness, such as HIV, or nerve pain
Seizure disorders (this can be amazingly effective, you should watch some of the videos)
Crohn's disease

Now, you can be prescribed an extract from MJ in states where MJ is not legal, but according to those who have had it prescribed it is not nearly as effective in the treatment of those conditions as a simple joint and the joint is far less expensive and doesn't involve enriching the same company that made epinephrine so expensive.

 

[Damocles]

All of this is not the reason I think it should be legalized. I simply believe that this is big government. Both sides love them some big centralized government, while I never do. I don't think that it is a conservative ideal to empower a centralized government to make sure others don't have the option to do something you simply think is "stupid" or "dangerous".

 

[Teflon Don]

You've not read the "data". You've made a selective choice to ignore evidence. Below I used WebMD as a source, there are other uses but this is a decent accepted usage list.

The first reason is for chronic pain, and doctors who prescribe it do it so they are not addicting their patients to opioids. Below is a list of "other" options, only one of which is your "one reason".

https://www.webmd.com/pain-management/features/medical-marijuana-uses

Doctors also may prescribe medical marijuana to treat:

Muscle spasms caused by multiple sclerosis
Nausea from cancer chemotherapy (this is the "one thing" according to your "exhaustive" research)
Poor appetite and weight loss caused by chronic illness, such as HIV, or nerve pain
Seizure disorders (this can be amazingly effective, you should watch some of the videos)
Crohn's disease

Now, you can be prescribed an extract from MJ in states where MJ is not legal, but according to those who have had it prescribed it is not nearly as effective in the treatment of those conditions as a simple joint and the joint is far less expensive and doesn't involve enriching the same company that made epinephrine so expensive.

You are over your skis Damo. All of those conditions have FDA approved drugs that have been studied in well controlled, double blind clinical trials

It has all been a scam to move to legalization

It’s ok that you fell for it. I am really ok with you smoking dope. I promise I am not after your bong

 

[Teflon Don]

All of this is not the reason I think it should be legalized. I simply believe that this is big government. Both sides love them some big centralized government, while I never do. I don't think that it is a conservative ideal to empower a centralized government to make sure others don't have the option to do something you simply think is "stupid" or "dangerous".

I never said the gobblement should or shouldn’t.

Honestly it is not an issue that animates me. I don’t get high so......

I am merely pointing out the false claims and lies

Right now Sessions is following the law. I believe laws should be followed. That is the principle I am supporting.

I don’t want us to descend to a banana republic just so you can feel better about getting stoned.

Change the law. That is how it is supposed to work.

There are more big gobblement implications for not following the rule of law.

 

[Damocles]

I never said the gobblement should or shouldn’t.

Honestly it is not an issue that animates me. I don’t get high so......

I am merely pointing out the false claims and lies

Right now Sessions is following the law. I believe laws should be followed. That is the principle I am supporting.

I don’t want us to descend to a banana republic just so you can feel better about getting stoned.

Change the law. That is how it is supposed to work.

There are more big gobblement implications for not following the rule of law.

While I believe that at this level of government laws, like regulations, especially when enacted solely to try to take away options of people to act stupidly, should be eliminated whenever possible.

I preach a belief in personal responsibility, and I follow it. I don't change that view because "it's the law", I work to change the law. Why? Because I am conservative, and intelligent and believe that we should not repeat the violent past simply because "it's the law".

 

[Sailor]

While I believe that at this level of government laws, like regulations, especially when enacted solely to try to take away options of people to act stupidly, should be eliminated whenever possible.

I preach a belief in personal responsibility, and I follow it. I don't change that view because "it's the law", I work to change the law. Why? Because I am conservative, and intelligent and believe that we should not repeat the violent past simply because "it's the law".

Smart person here.

 

[cawacko]

While I believe that at this level of government laws, like regulations, especially when enacted solely to try to take away options of people to act stupidly, should be eliminated whenever possible.

I preach a belief in personal responsibility, and I follow it. I don't change that view because "it's the law", I work to change the law. Why? Because I am conservative, and intelligent and believe that we should not repeat the violent past simply because "it's the law".

His response is a cop out. He fully supports the government cracking down on weed users and the war on drugs. Like I said I've never smoked weed but I'm with you in that this is big government and it sucks.

 

[Teflon Don]

While I believe that at this level of government laws, like regulations, especially when enacted solely to try to take away options of people to act stupidly, should be eliminated whenever possible.

I preach a belief in personal responsibility, and I follow it. I don't change that view because "it's the law", I work to change the law. Why? Because I am conservative, and intelligent and believe that we should not repeat the violent past simply because "it's the law".

Then change the law. But you can’t support politicians arbitrarily deciding what to enforce and what not to enforce. We are then not a nation of laws which is a higher principle than your desire to get baked.

Otherwise you have zero leg to stand on when a dem administration chooses to ignore laws you want followed

If public opinion truly supported legalizing weed, then it would be so

I can assure you it isn’t an issue that animates me one way or another.

I am not arguing for or against legalizing it. I am arguing for the principle of enforcing existing laws

 

[Teflon Don]

His response is a cop out. He fully supports the government cracking down on weed users and the war on drugs. Like I said I've never smoked weed but I'm with you in that this is big government and it sucks.

Are you skeered to talk to me directly Nancy?

I don’t know how much more clear to make this. I am arguing for the principle of enforcing existing laws

Let me give you an example that isn’t tied to your dope smoking.

Let’s say Trump decided to not have the IRS enforce the tax code. I would oppose it even though I am all for lower taxes?

Do you understand or are you too hungover from last night? Still baked from smoking dope with Deshtard?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I have looked at the data

There is one use and that is for nausea. But there is an FDA approved drug for that, but then you wouldn’t get high would you? So smoking dope for this purpose is a scam.

I get it. Your life is miserable and you hide it with weed. I am not going to take your bong. I promise.

i actually hate what marijuana does to me, but i've seen the relief it gives my wife who is a chronic pain patient. but even given all that, i question the idiot who supposedly wants the constitution upheld and approves of the CSA.....not that you'd understand any of that.

 

[Damocles]

Then change the law. But you can’t support politicians arbitrarily deciding what to enforce and what not to enforce. We are then not a nation of laws which is a higher principle than your desire to get baked.

Otherwise you have zero leg to stand on when a dem administration chooses to ignore laws you want followed

If public opinion truly supported legalizing weed, then it would be so

I can assure you it isn’t an issue that animates me one way or another.

I am not arguing for or against legalizing it. I am arguing for the principle of enforcing existing laws

We watch the right on here upset about some guy who can't ranch because of the stupid field rat of a brown color that is suddenly considered "endangered", or when some guy doesn't pay his contractual fees to ranch on federal land we see some people supporting the "protesters" that take over government buildings and protest with guns...

Yet suddenly, when it is sending some idiot to jail for smoking a bong it's all "it's the law"! I reject that. I practice what I preach all the time. Federal government enacts laws well outside the powers listed in the constitution and I reject it, even when it is inconvenient as elected officials in the party I vote for are sometimes hypocrites.

 

[Teflon Don]

We watch the right on here upset about some guy who can't ranch because of the stupid field rat of a brown color that is suddenly considered "endangered", or when some guy doesn't pay his contractual fees to ranch on federal land we see some people supporting the "protesters" that take over government buildings and protest with guns...

Yet suddenly, when it is sending some idiot to jail for smoking a bong it's all "it's the law"! I reject that. I practice what I preach all the time. Federal government enacts laws well outside the powers listed in the constitution and I reject it, even when it is inconvenient as elected officials in the party I vote for are sometimes hypocrites.

You are conflating some issues here. There is a difference between a law that is passed an a bureaucrat enacting a regulation based on a biased interpretation of a law

I get that maybe to some there is practically no difference.

But I reject just ignoring laws. If you aren’t paying attention to what your politicians are doing, then that is on you.

You get the government you vote for.

To hear people talk here it would appear the entire country is for legalizing pot. So it shouldn’t be hard to make happen.

My last point and it isn’t an argument for or against legalizing pot so keep your bee hat on is that the pro pot crowd is very inconsistent on the issue

For one, if they were truly consistent they would be advocating for abolition of all illegal drugs. Cocaine, heroin, crystal meth etc. The principle being argued for legalizing pot should be the same.

Additionally they should also argue for kids to be able to use these drugs if parents allow it. To do otherwise would by tyrannical.

Oh I know you will kvetch and say these are absurd arguments, but that is what most do when their arguments fall apart.

 

[Teflon Don]

i actually hate what marijuana does to me, but i've seen the relief it gives my wife who is a chronic pain patient. but even given all that, i question the idiot who supposedly wants the constitution upheld and approves of the CSA.....not that you'd understand any of that.

We know, you are the sole arbiter of what the Constitution says. Nobody else but you gets it

I am highly doubtful that of all the pain regimens available that smoking pot is the ONLY thing that works for her. Like I said, if your old lady likes getting stoned, that is ok. If I had to live with an insufferable, conspiratorial prick like you, I would opt for the bong pipe too. Just saying.

But please tell me again how you are the only one on JPP who knows the Constitution. We never tire of that.