Bailey Holt. 15. Say her name NRA.

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Althea said:
Can you cite this law? I'm not familiar.

Funny...you are required to take an eye exam to get a drivers license.
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Yes you are. And that license allows you to drive on public roads. There is no eye exam required to purchase a car, own a car or to drive one on private property.

The law I am quoting? The EO that was rescinded was for all recipients of a disability check for any mental illness, and who have someone manage their affairs (even if just financial) be reported to the background check system and not allowed to buy a firearm from a dealer.

The mental illnesses I listed would be included in those drawing a disability check.
 
WinterBorn said:
Yes, I do. I did not see it like the headlines said "Trump wants mentally ill to have guns!". I saw it as the ACLU and mental health advocates saw it. As a lumping of many people into a category of psychotics.

One thing to remember, if someone is dangerous, and receiving disability benefits, their name should already be in the system. The law requires it.

However, if someone is not dangerous, why include them with no allowances of them defending themselves before their name is added to the "Do Not Sell" list in the background check system.
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WinterBorn said:
Yes you are. And that license allows you to drive on public roads. There is no eye exam required to purchase a car, own a car or to drive one on private property.

The law I am quoting? The EO that was rescinded was for all recipients of a disability check for any mental illness, and who have someone manage their affairs (even if just financial) be reported to the background check system and not allowed to buy a firearm from a dealer.

The mental illnesses I listed would be included in those drawing a disability check.
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So pick a position. Is there a law, or not?
 
WinterBorn said:
Yes you are. And that license allows you to drive on public roads. There is no eye exam required to purchase a car, own a car or to drive one on private property.

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Great. So without a psych test, you can keep a gun in your home, but not in public
 
Althea said:
Great. So without a psych test, you can keep a gun in your home, but not in public
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Without a concealed carry permit, in most states you have to carry them securely locked until you get where you will be shooting them. Like on hunting land or at a gun range.
 
Althea said:
So pick a position. Is there a law, or not?
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They are different things. The EO that you asked me about was putting all persons who draw a disability check and have someone manage their affairs into the NICS (the instant background check system).

All persons reported by their medical professionals for having mental illnesses that make them potentially dangers are to be reported to the NICS. That is the existing law since the system was introduced.
 
CFM said:
In my State, as long as you car 21, you can carry a handgun as long as it's in a LATCHED compartment with or without a CWP (what Georgia calls a WCL/GWL). At 18, someone can purchase a handgun in an individual, private sale as long as the buyer is a legal resident of the State, not a member of a subversive organization, and there are no laws which prohibit that person from owning a handgun (i.e. - mental competency, felony conviction, etc.). A licensed dealer can't sell to anyone under 21.
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But no state I know of allows a 15 year old to buy a gun.
 
WinterBorn said:
Oh, the EO that lumped all people receiving disability and having someone help manage their affairs together with psycho paths? The one that did not allow people to defend themselves, but instead forced them to try to prove they were not dangerous? The EO that the ACLU fought against? As did numerous mental health advocacy groups?

I have no problem with doctors reporting their mentally ill patients to the background check system, as they are required to do. But drawing a disability check and having someone help manage their affairs does not mean they should not own guns. There are a variety of reasons someone would want someone to help them with their affairs. From mobility issues and literacy issues to issues involving the security of their finances, there are reasons that do not involve mental incompetency or being a mental defective.

If someone is marked as mentally defective or mentally incompetent, they should be reported to the background check system.

I think the ACLU and the various mental health advocacy groups were right to be against this EO.
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They weren’t automatically excluded. They were referred to the Backgriund Check System. And it’s far from just getting a disability check. These people were deemed through a formal process to be unable to manage themselves. Now, they don’t have the ability to even take care of basic duties, but it’s OK to carry around a weapon.

Nope
 
WinterBorn said:
But no state I know of allows a 15 year old to buy a gun.
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On post #191 you said (capitalization for emphasis), "Without a concealed carry permit, in MOST states you have to carry them securely locked until you get where you will be shooting them. Like on hunting land or at a gun range."

That is simply not true. At best count, 23 states have what is called permissive open carry. In those states, to OPEN CARRY, there is no permit or license required. OPEN CARRY means on foot or in a MOTOR VEHICLE.

So much for your claim of MOST states requiring they be locked until you get where you're going.
 
domer76 said:
They weren’t automatically excluded. They were referred to the Backgriund Check System. And it’s far from just getting a disability check. These people were deemed through a formal process to be unable to manage themselves. Now, they don’t have the ability to even take care of basic duties, but it’s OK to carry around a weapon.

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No, it was not a formal process. That was why the ACLU opposed it. The EO said that anyone drawing a disability check for any mental disability and who had someone else manage their affairs was reported to the NCIS system. Which meant they would be refused the sale of a firearm. They could appeal it, and hire a lawyer to fight the placement on the NCIS. But that would be at their expense. I listed several mental illnesses before that should not remove a person's constitutional rights.
 
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