Bailey Holt. 15. Say her name NRA.

[christiefan915]

Preoccupied with mass murder

In addition to Lanza’s developmental and mental health problems, he exhibited a preoccupation with mass murder, in particular toward the end of his life.

As a fifth-grader, Lanza and a classmate turned in a story called “The Big Book of Granny” for a comic book creative-writing assignment. The authors of the report called it an “extremely disturbing” story about the murder of children, cannibalism and taxidermy.

“While many children, and especially boys, of this age contend with anger and violent impulses in their play and creative productions,” they wrote, “The Big Book of Granny stands out, to mental health professionals, as a text marked by extreme thoughts of violence that should have signified a need for intervention and evaluation.”

But there was no evidence that the story spurred an intervention or was discussed at length, either by the school or by the parents. Later in life, when he was spending most of his time isolated in his room, Lanza connected online with a community of people interested in mass murder.

“The inexplicable mystery to me isn’t how there are massacres,” he wrote in an email to one cyber-acquaintance just three days before he opened fire on students and staff at his former school, “but rather how there aren’t 100,000 of them every year.”

Lanza’s attack on the school was premeditated, the authors write. He had visited the school’s website many times and reviewed its security procedures.

“The attack on Sandy Hook Elementary appears to have been a purposefully thought-out and planned attack—AL did not just ‘snap,’” the report’s authors write.

http://www.newsweek.com/report-details-adam-lanzas-life-sandy-hook-shootings-286867

 

[CFM]

Preoccupied with mass murder

In addition to Lanza’s developmental and mental health problems, he exhibited a preoccupation with mass murder, in particular toward the end of his life.

As a fifth-grader, Lanza and a classmate turned in a story called “The Big Book of Granny” for a comic book creative-writing assignment. The authors of the report called it an “extremely disturbing” story about the murder of children, cannibalism and taxidermy.

“While many children, and especially boys, of this age contend with anger and violent impulses in their play and creative productions,” they wrote, “The Big Book of Granny stands out, to mental health professionals, as a text marked by extreme thoughts of violence that should have signified a need for intervention and evaluation.”

But there was no evidence that the story spurred an intervention or was discussed at length, either by the school or by the parents. Later in life, when he was spending most of his time isolated in his room, Lanza connected online with a community of people interested in mass murder.

“The inexplicable mystery to me isn’t how there are massacres,” he wrote in an email to one cyber-acquaintance just three days before he opened fire on students and staff at his former school, “but rather how there aren’t 100,000 of them every year.”

Lanza’s attack on the school was premeditated, the authors write. He had visited the school’s website many times and reviewed its security procedures.

“The attack on Sandy Hook Elementary appears to have been a purposefully thought-out and planned attack—AL did not just ‘snap,’” the report’s authors write.

http://www.newsweek.com/report-details-adam-lanzas-life-sandy-hook-shootings-286867

Now, tell me what laws you and the rest of the gun haters propose that will stop mentally ill people from getting guns and doing something like this again.

 

[RB 60]

The NRA lost sight of its original mission and became highly politicized. It used to be about safety, competency and marksmanship. Now they're just a huge lobby preying on conservative fears that guns will be outlawed. They push extremist views and refuse to meet anyone halfway.

The NRA never has a thing to say about innocent people being killed except "more guns." They helped create the gun culture here but never offer workable solutions to the problems arising from the culture. Problems like a 15-year old getting hold of a gun and shooting up his school.

If the NRA is going to turn a blind eye to these problems then prepare for the blame and backlash that follows.

So you're saying we no longer have training programs?
As for not saying anything about gun violence, try attending a gun club and see what the members are saying.

 

[CFM]

So you're saying we no longer have training programs?
As for not saying anything about gun violence, try attending a gun club and see what the members are saying.

Since you only spouts what her leftwing handlers tell her, don't expect her to really try to find out the truth.

I find it interesting she uses terms like "workable solutions". I find that those like her only consider what they support as workable and if you don't agree, "prepare for the blame and backlash that follows", to use her words.

I had a gun stolen out of my locked vehicle while siting on private property. The person that stole it didn't have permission to be on that property nor a key to enter the vehicle. In addition, they took something they knew didn't belong to them and that the law said they shouldn't do. christie's a big advocate of background checks but when I asked her what type of background check the person that stole the gun would go through, she could only focus on how it was my fault for not securing the gun any better avoiding the fact that the thief is the one that violated multiple laws stealing it.

 

[christiefan915]

So you're saying we no longer have training programs?
As for not saying anything about gun violence, try attending a gun club and see what the members are saying.

No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that they are way more political now than when they started and it's all based on fear.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

You're arguing from ignorance. Lanza's entire medical record shows what a disturbed individual he was. He first started writing down his violent fantasies in elementary school. By the time he shot up Sandy Hook he was obsessed with it.

Read the report before you make such stupid comments again.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/images/11/21/office.of.the.child.advocate.report.pdf.pdf

And the evidence backs up exactly what I said about his mother! "The 114-page report, produced by a panel convened by the state’s Office of the Child Advocate, did not find direct fault with those in Mr. Lanza’s life for the violence, but it did conclude that his mother had sought to appease her son and was inclined to accommodate his disabilities rather than treat them."

I highly doubt that other than removing his access to firearms (Yes she made a mistake) not a whole lot of parents would have acted much differently (as we don't know the whole story such as insurance and such). People who live payday to payday often have to ignore medical problems they can't afford to have treated. But believe what you want I love to see how you flip flop on various subjects

 

[christiefan915]

And the evidence backs up exactly what I said about his mother! "The 114-page report, produced by a panel convened by the state’s Office of the Child Advocate, did not find direct fault with those in Mr. Lanza’s life for the violence, but it did conclude that his mother had sought to appease her son and was inclined to accommodate his disabilities rather than treat them."

I highly doubt that other than removing his access to firearms (Yes she made a mistake) not a whole lot of parents would have acted much differently (as we don't know the whole story such as insurance and such). People who live payday to payday often have to ignore medical problems they can't afford to have treated. But believe what you want I love to see how you flip flop on various subjects

The evidence shows that in many instances Mrs. Lanza ignored or went against the treatments suggested for her son, and that she enabled him to lead the increasing dark life he was living. She was willfully in denial about his total isolation from everything and everyone. Furthermore, these people weren't living payday to payday and Adam was in some type of treatment his entire life.

You can enjoy the notion that I'm flip flopping and I'll enjoy watching your spin that puts guns over human life.

His preoccupation with violence may have been "largely unaddressed."

The report raises questions about how there may have been missed opportunities with Lanza, including whether his family's wealth and race were factors.

"Would [Lanza's] caregivers’ reluctance to maintain him in school or a treatment program have gone under the radar if he were a child of color?" the report asks.

Lanza's mother transferred him to a Catholic school for the fourth quarter of seventh grade.

"A teacher at the school later reported that he presented very differently from the other children," the report states. According to the teacher's account in the report, he had "very distinct anti-social issues."

"AL would write ten pages obsessing about battles, destruction and war. I have known 7th grade boys to talk about things like this, but AL’s level of violence was disturbing. I remember showing the writings to the principal at the time, AL’s creative writing was so graphic that it could not be shared," the teacher's account in the report states.

"It was not the primary purpose of this investigation to explicitly examine the role of guns in the Sandy Hook shootings," the report said. "However, the conclusion cannot be avoided that access to guns is relevant to an examination of ways to improve the public health. Access to assault weapons with high capacity magazines did play a major role in this and other mass shootings in recent history."

The report states, "[Lanza] and his parents did not appear to seek or participate in any mental health treatment after 2008."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/disturbing-things-learned-today-sandy-hook-shooter-adam/story?id=27087140

http://www.newsweek.com/why-adam-lanza-did-it-226565

 

[leaningright]

No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that they are way more political now than when they started and it's all based on fear.

That’s fair enough. The NRA is more political ... with good reason. You and Mr. Obama want to call it fear...I guess that’s ok but it is more about preservation.

 

[Cancel 2018.2]

Read page 106 for the final statement. But you're not going to get the family history without reading the entire document, and that's what we're arguing about.

I read the first few pages and it says at point 27 it was not clear what she had done. I'll go to 106 (thank you btw) but point 27 seems to me that no conclusions were drawn about her enabling him.

 

[christiefan915]

That’s fair enough. The NRA is more political ... with good reason. You and Mr. Obama want to call it fear...I guess that’s ok but it is more about preservation.

If I read correctly the politicization started with the jack-booted thugs comment in the 1990s. So the fear mongering started long before Obama took office.

 

[leaningright]

If I read correctly the politicization started with the jack-booted thugs comment in the 1990s. So the fear mongering started long before Obama took office.

I was referencing his “clinging to their bibles and guns” comment.

 

[leaningright]

As best I can tell through 26 pages of discussion no one has attempted to answer the question: WHAT [new or old] LAW WOULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS TRAGEDY?

 

[Cancel 2018.2]

Page 107

This report in no way blames parents

It says they don't blame his parents, how is you can use this to cite that blood is on her hands and that she enabled him?

 

[RB 60]

As best I can tell through 26 pages of discussion no one has attempted to answer the question: WHAT [new or old] LAW WOULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS TRAGEDY?

Or the question as to why it's the NRA's fault.

 

[leaningright]

Here’s the answer they fall short of verbalizing....for good reason

 

[leaningright]

And things like this happening around the world is why the NRA became more political. Once again, for good reason.

 

[christiefan915]

Page 107

This report in no way blames parents

It says they don't blame his parents, how is you can use this to cite that blood is on her hands and that she enabled him?

That's why you have to read the entire article, because it spells out Adam's entire medical history and the way the parents, esp. the mother, handled him. If you read the article you'd see how Mrs. Lanza enabled his increasingly bizarre behaviour and that's what I'm criticizing her for.

I'm pretty sure any psychological report on any killer would not literally blame another for the killer's actions. But they would point out the issues, events and people that were in the killer's life prior to his actions as possible contributory factors.

 

[christiefan915]

I was referencing his “clinging to their bibles and guns” comment.

That's not what started the fear-mongering, it existed before Obama.

This is nothing but hyperbole.

"In a fundraising letter to NRA members, dated April 13, 1995, NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre called the federal officials who enforce U.S. gun laws “jack-booted government thugs.”

LaPierre tied the phrase to a law banning certain semi-automatic and automatic weapons, which had passed during President Bill Clinton’s first term in office, with Clinton’s support. That law is popularly known as The Federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB)."

 

[leaningright]

That's not what started the fear-mongering, it existed before Obama.

This is nothing but hyperbole.

"In a fundraising letter to NRA members, dated April 13, 1995, NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre called the federal officials who enforce U.S. gun laws “jack-booted government thugs.”

LaPierre tied the phrase to a law banning certain semi-automatic and automatic weapons, which had passed during President Bill Clinton’s first term in office, with Clinton’s support. That law is popularly known as The Federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB)."

I understand LaPierre’s use of “jack booted thugs.” I probably still have that issue of Guns and Ammo where I first read that in storage somewhere. But he was just answering the [unconstitutional] gun ban in a way his constituents (we paid members) wanted him too. The reality is that the NRA has been far too willing to compromise giving rise to other, less compromising groups like GOA. I continue to support the NRA because they’re the largest lobbying group but at the same time I contribute to GOA as well.

https://gunowners.org

 

[christiefan915]

Here’s the answer they fall short of verbalizing....for good reason

Have you looked at the history of gun control in AU? According to this article only three countries in the world have a constitutional right to bear arms: the US, Mexico and Guatemala.