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You're building in thoughts, words & ideas that Trump did not with his comments. Which you've been doing this entire thread.
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You're building in thoughts, words & ideas that Trump did not with his comments. Which you've been doing this entire thread.
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I mean, for goodness' sake. Once again, a thread like this gets completely sidetracked by hairsplitting that I doubt Trump himself would even care about.
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He thinks he can out-lawyer you with nit picking but he's wrong.
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No, you're wrong and I proved it.
*oh the irony!*
ROFL.. you take the fact he did not specifically enumerate illegal criminal immigrants and conflate that ("build into")
to say he must have meant ALL immigrants
when all other evidence and past comments show he was referring to criminal illegals..
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Much more apt to liken illegal aliens to termites as they invade and destroy.
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Because Bar stroller mod drunktard Billy closed my thread, here is the proof Thing1 lied:
Trump did not compare all immigrants to the Snake poem: Thing1 - 30 days
But when I walked in today, did anyone ever hear me do the snake during the campaign? Because I had five people outside say, could you do the snake? I said, well, people have heard it. Who hasn’t heard the *****-snake?***** You should read it anyway. Let’s do it anyway. I’ll do it. Okay. Should we do it? Now, this was a rock ‘N’ roll song, little amendments, a rock ‘N’ roll song, but every time I do it, people -- and you have to thinkof this in terms of immigration. I want people to come into our country. And I want people that are going to help us.
I don’t want people that are going to come in and be accepting all of the gifts of our country for the next 50 years and contribute nothing. I don’t want that. You don’t want that. I want people that are going to help and people that are going to go to work for Chrysler, who is now moving from Mexico into Michigan. And so many others. And apple, by the way. And fox con in Wisconsin. They’re going to need 25,000 workers. I want people that can come in and get to work and work hard, even if it means a learning period that is fine. But I want people that are going to come in, and work. And I want people that love us, and look at security and they want you to be safe and they want to be safe. I want great people coming into this country.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...h-snake-mccain
The full speech is at the link.
Thing1 clearly lied and since he demanded others prove he lied (logical fallacy) I just did.
Will he Welch on his 30 self bam bet with PMP?
I doubt it.
Trump did not compare all immigrants to the Snake poem: Thing1 - 30 days
But when I walked in today, did anyone ever hear me do the snake during the campaign? Because I had five people outside say, could you do the snake? I said, well, people have heard it. Who hasn’t heard the *****-snake?***** You should read it anyway. Let’s do it anyway. I’ll do it. Okay. Should we do it? Now, this was a rock ‘N’ roll song, little amendments, a rock ‘N’ roll song, but every time I do it, people -- and you have to thinkof this in terms of immigration. I want people to come into our country. And I want people that are going to help us.
I don’t want people that are going to come in and be accepting all of the gifts of our country for the next 50 years and contribute nothing. I don’t want that. You don’t want that. I want people that are going to help and people that are going to go to work for Chrysler, who is now moving from Mexico into Michigan. And so many others. And apple, by the way. And fox con in Wisconsin. They’re going to need 25,000 workers. I want people that can come in and get to work and work hard, even if it means a learning period that is fine. But I want people that are going to come in, and work. And I want people that love us, and look at security and they want you to be safe and they want to be safe. I want great people coming into this country.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...h-snake-mccain
The full speech is at the link.
Thing1 clearly lied and since he demanded others prove he lied (logical fallacy) I just did.
Will he Welch on his 30 self bam bet with PMP?
I doubt it.
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Well, again - except for that whole pesky part of his talk where he told his audience to think in terms of IMMIGRATION. Not illegal immigration, not criminal illegals. IMMIGRATION.
This one is as cut & dry as it gets. And again, I did not expect to have to spend pages & pages of this thread pointing out something that is clearly in black & white.
CPAC was the usual conservative message of division...
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You ha e quoted him out of context the entire time.
I linked to the actual speech and proved you're a liar.
Be honest for once and ban yourself for 30 days.
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Cliff notes:
Trump said he wanted immigrants who would help this country and then he said he doesn't want immigrants who will not help this country.
And then he gave the snake poem.
Thingy is so hysterical he can't see straight or be honest.
Trump said he wanted immigrants who would help this country and then he said he doesn't want immigrants who will not help this country.
And then he gave the snake poem.
Thingy is so hysterical he can't see straight or be honest.
complete disengenuous crap..
he wasn't testifying-it's not like anyone but you ( and partisan Dems) would parse this otherwise,
he was giving a speech and used an allegory..
It's NOT clearly in black in white that he meant anything but criminal illegals who bite the hand that took them in .
you've descended into full fledged hackery
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Pretty much everyone in the media "parsed" it that way. You can discredit the whole bunch w/ the usual 'fake news,' but I even saw it discussed that way on a Fox panel. Have you paid any attention to the news lately, or are you down to info wars & that's it?
Because he said IMMIGRATION, and did not qualify it in any way. You say that we should go by his stated positions, but if you haven't seen the xenophobia and more blanket statements about immigrants (well, except maybe those from Norway), you're simply not paying attention. Trump knows EXACTLY what he's doing when he makes this kind of speech. It's all for the base, and he knows who they are.
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Thingy doesn't dare adress this.
you saw it on FOX because FOX isn't fake news like CNN. I did not see any of it. It's illogical and a specious insertion to say he meant all immigrants.. just saying.
But think about that for a second..why would he be against legal immigration?
His beef has always been about illegal immigration during the campaign,and now it's to promote a merit based system. I've never seen him go after legal immigrants,in fact many times he's made that distinctions.
but in the context of a speech he left it out.
Do you not agree Trump's language is many times very sloppy? So you have to go back to his positions.
and his positions are a legal immigration system based on merits,along with border security.
it boggles the mind you would read into this an asertion he was calling legal immigrants snakes,
and that goes for media coverage too..
use your mind. think things out logically,and you'll see there is no way he was speaking of legal immigrants
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I think that when it comes to legal immigrants, he has desirables and undesirables - and not necessarily by "qualifications." He clearly looks at some countries differently. I think his lack of qualifier at CPAC was completely intentional, and he even said "you may say, 'isn't that terrible?'" I don't think it was sloppy; I think it was strategic, and it's something we have seen time & again with him. When he is in his safe space with his base, his true thoughts often come out. To wild applause, no less.
Trump is xenophobic. I don't think that's even disputable. I said in the OP that he likened immigrants to snakes, and that is EXACTLY what he did.
And once again, this thread is about the tone at CPAC, which I also think isn't really disputable.
I wonder what the family's of victims would say about it...
Manuel Orrego-Savala, a/k/a Alex Cabrera Gonsales, 37, a Guatemalan illegal alien living in Indiana has been arrested for causing the death of Edwin Jackson, 26.
Indiana State Police said that Orrego-Savala was driving drunk and crashed into the stopped vehicle in which Jackson was a passenger. Jackson and his Uber driver died from their injuries.
Orrego-Savala reportedly failed to aid the victims and attempted to flee the scene of the accident on foot but was taken down and arrested.
It was reported that Orrego-Savala was not only allegedly drunk, but was driving without a license, and had previously been deported from the U.S. in 2007 and 2009.
Apolinar Altamirano, 29, an unauthorized Mexican illegal alien DREAMer, has been arrested for the January 22, 2015 first-degree murder of Phoenix Quick Trip store clerk Grant Ronnebeck, 21.
Altamirano is accused of shooting Ronnebeck and stealing two packs of cigarettes after the 21-year-old clerk demanded payment before giving Altamirano any cigarettes.
The murder was recorded on the store's security camera and police captured Altamirano after a high speed chase in Phoenix.
Altamirano had previous run-ins with local police and Immigration and Customs Enforcement. In 2012, he pleaded guilty to facilitation to commit burglary and got probation but was placed in deportation proceedings.
Before the murder of Ronnebeck, Altamirano was released on a $10,000 bond in 2013 from ICE custody despite the defendant's own claims of ties to the Mexican Mafia. After his release, but before Ronnebeck's murder, Altamirano also allegedly threatened to kill two people, resulting in harassment injunctions against Altamirano.
Altamirano reportedly entered the U.S. illegally at the age of 14 and prior to his arrest, worked illegally as a landscaper.
Theres many more....
Manuel Orrego-Savala, a/k/a Alex Cabrera Gonsales, 37, a Guatemalan illegal alien living in Indiana has been arrested for causing the death of Edwin Jackson, 26.
Indiana State Police said that Orrego-Savala was driving drunk and crashed into the stopped vehicle in which Jackson was a passenger. Jackson and his Uber driver died from their injuries.
Orrego-Savala reportedly failed to aid the victims and attempted to flee the scene of the accident on foot but was taken down and arrested.
It was reported that Orrego-Savala was not only allegedly drunk, but was driving without a license, and had previously been deported from the U.S. in 2007 and 2009.
Apolinar Altamirano, 29, an unauthorized Mexican illegal alien DREAMer, has been arrested for the January 22, 2015 first-degree murder of Phoenix Quick Trip store clerk Grant Ronnebeck, 21.
Altamirano is accused of shooting Ronnebeck and stealing two packs of cigarettes after the 21-year-old clerk demanded payment before giving Altamirano any cigarettes.
The murder was recorded on the store's security camera and police captured Altamirano after a high speed chase in Phoenix.
Altamirano had previous run-ins with local police and Immigration and Customs Enforcement. In 2012, he pleaded guilty to facilitation to commit burglary and got probation but was placed in deportation proceedings.
Before the murder of Ronnebeck, Altamirano was released on a $10,000 bond in 2013 from ICE custody despite the defendant's own claims of ties to the Mexican Mafia. After his release, but before Ronnebeck's murder, Altamirano also allegedly threatened to kill two people, resulting in harassment injunctions against Altamirano.
Altamirano reportedly entered the U.S. illegally at the age of 14 and prior to his arrest, worked illegally as a landscaper.
Theres many more....
Trump is not xenophobic.
wanting killers like Kate Steinle's murderer not to cross the border after 5 deportations and kill is hardly xenophobic.
Methinks you are confusing that term with nationalism (and please don't say 'white nationalism").
Trump is a nationalist -the opposite of globalists..
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fully immersed in faith..
except throughout his campaign he "allegorized", "compared", "equated" the snake and the drunk driver illegal alien who killed after being deported multiple times.......and everyone who heard him at CPAC knew what he was saying.......so did all the lib'ruls currently lying about it......