Oklahoma teacher protest

LR is a teacher in Oklahoma. I know there is no easy answer for this but if we really want the best to become teachers we need to have a different compensation model other than just years taught.
It also includes education. My wife has a Masters. That, combined with her years of experience, made her too expensive for most districts. Their loss.
 
There is no group in America that has fought change in public schools more than teachers unions. That's not demonizing teachers it's speaking truth about their union.

That's because most of that change would only make things worse.
 
Pay mores in taxes and shut up. Oh wait tax the rich right? I forgot. They are your personal piggybank

Teachers know what the pay is when they go in. Why should I feel sorry for them?

Additionally they have killer retirement benefits. That was their trade off

Fuck them.

Oh and fuck you too

You hate America, asswipe.
 
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We are talking about the teachers unions. If you want an appeal to authority listen to what people like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates have said about them. They fight any and all change. Teachers unions want a one size fits all education model. That doesn't fly in the 21st century. Teachers unions are the enemy of students

That "one size fits all education model" is what people like you are pushing.
 
Adjusting for the fact that teachers work 3/4 of the year, it's equivalent to a person working all year making over $53,000. Furthermore, most teachers can retire in their early 50s with a full pension, plus they have great health care benefits. Cry harder snowflake!

Except that teachers put in more work during that 3/4 of a year than you do in 2. Plus they usually spend their summers getting ready for the next year.
 
Many corporations don't pay jack to those first starting. Within almost every corporation though the best have an opportunity to advance and earn much higher pay. That doesn't exist in teaching.

Actually. most corporations don't care about the "best" talent. They, almost universally, want the cheapest talent that can pretend to get the job done.
 
That's a part of the problem, that's for sure. And the teachers, who retire and are rehired as administrators, etc....you might be surprised at the number of those double dippers...there's so much money wasted....
Don't get me started;)

Yep. The last principal that my wife worked for got the position because she was the super's wife's best friend. My wife was way more qualified than she was, which I've always felt was probably what got my wife fired from that position.
 
That's a part of the problem, that's for sure. And the teachers, who retire and are rehired as administrators, etc....you might be surprised at the number of those double dippers...there's so much money wasted....
Don't get me started;)
Of course, you wouldn't want administrators with actual experience.
 
Eight years, as I said in my post. Public school district in Illinois near St. Louis.

If she has any plans to go for a Masters, warn her to be sure that she's already in a district that she wants to remain in, because being more qualified makes it more difficult to find a job teaching.

Whoops! I see I'm already too late with that advice.
 
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If everything I'm saying is a non-sequitur then I don't know what you are arguing. Teachers are paid based on their years of service. Private industry doesn't do that. The best teacher makes the same as the worst teacher if they have worked the same number of years. Private industry doesn't do that. There is no economic incentive for top people to become educators.
There's no good way to evaluate a teacher's performance. When they try that with standardised tests, they score the teacher based on the students' absolute score, not the improvement from the previous year. Thus a 5th grade teacher whose students averaged a 4th grade level would be downgraded, even though most of her class tested at a 2nd grade level the year before. A two grade improvement would mean that she did an outstanding job, but that's not how they grade the test results.
 
More fucking nonsense from the little leg humper. Just more baseless accusations about 'right wingers'. Time for you to go back to leg humping and leave the adult conversations to the adults.

Right wingers are, generally, not capable of having adult conversations.
 
Exactly and it moots the purpose of having a teachers union. They're professionals and not laborers. Raise the standards through increased competition for higher wages and better employment conditions.
School boards will never go for that. That's why we have teachers' unions. Because of the school boards.
 
Details Desh. The devil is in the details. How exactly will you fully fund those schools. Will you use another form of taxation other than property taxes or will will appropriate funds from wealth communities property taxes and distribute them to poorer communities? Would the Federal government pay for public schools across the country via income taxes? Excise taxes? Will local communities exert local control if the Feds pay for Education?

Like I said spare me the glib catch phrases and tell me how you will fully fund those school and provide the messy details.
Seems to me as if local control is often part of the problem, as the local school boards often have other priorities than education.
 
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