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Same skill level, different standards.
Walmart will hire anybody. You have a bad work history, apply at Walmart, it's your last stop.
A good work history is needed to work at Costco.
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Walmart will hire anybody. You have a bad work history, apply at Walmart, it's your last stop.
A good work history is needed to work at Costco.
I said someone's pay is commensurate with their skill level AND it's up to the one doing the paying to make that determination.
That's not what you said at first. At first, you insisted there wasn't a level of subjectivity to it. Then you tried to make an economic argument, only to see that argument fall flat when you were educated that pay disparities exist.
Why doesn't Walmart value their workers at $18/hr like Costco does? I'll tell you why; because if they did, they wouldn't have made $14B in profit last year.
Same skill level, different standards.
How so? Where are those standards laid out?
Same skill level, different standards.
Walmart will hire anybody. You have a bad work history, apply at Walmart, it's your last stop.
A good work history is needed to work at Costco.
So a couple things:
1. You're saying Walmart is deliberately hiring shitty workers?
2. Why doesn't Walmart compete for the best workers?
3. These standards you say Costco has that Walmart doesn't, where are those detailed and listed? Because the job websites for both companies require the same skill set:
Walmart: https://careers.walmart.com/us/jobs/2017007-sales-associate
Costco: https://wfa.kronostm.com/index.jsp?...Ext&SEQ=positionDetails&POSTING_ID=9129795831
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No but a company gets what they're willing to pay for, you should know that. It's their business model. , low wages = shitty workers and high turnover, low overhead, consequently low prices.So a couple things:
1. You're saying Walmart is deliberately hiring shitty workers?
Because it's not their business model. Their business model is , low wages, low overhead, low prices.2. Why doesn't Walmart compete for the best workers?
Probably in the minutes of their executive board meetings. That would be my educated guess.3. These standards you say Costco has that Walmart doesn't, where are those detailed and listed?
Same skill level, different standards. Didn't I already mention that?Because the job websites for both companies require the same skill set:
Walmart: https://careers.walmart.com/us/jobs/2017007-sales-associate
Costco: https://wfa.kronostm.com/index.jsp?...Ext&SEQ=positionDetails&POSTING_ID=9129795831
No but a company gets what they're willing to pay for, you should know that. It's their business model. , low wages = shitty workers and high turnover, low overhead, consequently low prices.
Not really low prices, though. Costco beats them routinely.
So that begs the obvious quesiton; since Costco can pay their workers $18/hr, while offering competitive prices and maintaining a profit margin, why can't Walmart?
Because it's not their business model. Their business model is , low wages, low overhead, low prices.
Which means more welfare.
Walmart made $14B in profits last year.
Walmart workers accepted $6B in government assistance.
So we subsidize nearly half of Walmart's profits because they don't want to pay a wage commensurate with the skills and duties of the position.
So fuck Walmart.
Probably in the minutes of their executive board meetings.
Not on their job website? So how is an applicant supposed to know what requirements are necessary if they don't put them on the job site?
Because your belief that Costco has higher standards for hiring is bullshit, isn't it? You tell yourself that a higher wage must mean the workers are of higher character. So when a piece of information like this comes up, rather than admit you had misconceptions, you try to dream up excuses.
Why are you dreaming up excuses when the answer is obvious?
Same skill level, different standards. Didn't I already mention that?
Where are the standards different on those links? Neither even gives minimum applicant requirements on the job postings.
So what you're saying is bullshit, isn't it?
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Because Costco sells in bulk. Less employees needed per units sold.Not really low prices, though. Costco beats them routinely.
So that begs the obvious quesiton; since Costco can pay their workers $18/hr, while offering competitive prices and maintaining a profit margin, why can't Walmart?
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Which means more welfare.
Walmart made $14B in profits last year.
Walmart workers accepted $6B in government assistance.
So we subsidize nearly half of Walmart's profits because they don't want to pay a wage commensurate with the skills and duties of the position.
So fuck Walmart.
Yes. Fuck Walmart.
Because Costco sells in bulk. Less employees needed per units sold.
The average Costco employs between 200-300 people.
The average Walmart employs 281 people.
Wanna try again?
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What does a company's business model have to do with prospective employees requirements? You don't really think Costco is going to say, "those with a shitty work record need not apply, " do you?Not on their job website? So how is an applicant supposed to know what requirements are necessary if they don't put them on the job site?
Or Walmart state, " We pay the lowest wages in the industry so if you have a shitty work record this is your final stop for redemption."
No.Because your belief that Costco has higher standards for hiring is bullshit, isn't it?
No. I'm not telling myself anything. I'm telling you that offering a higher wage attracts those with a better work history. I never mentioned character.You tell yourself that a higher wage must mean the workers are of higher character.
I'm not following. Where have I mentioned excuses?So when a piece of information like this comes up, rather than admit you had misconceptions, you try to dream up excuses.
The answer to what question?Why are you dreaming up excuses when the answer is obvious?
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Sure. Less employees needed per unit sold. Hope that helped.
What does a company's business model have to do with prospective employees requirements?
Because you made the argument that Costco has different hiring standards than Walmart, but then you didn't actually show what those standards are. You made an assumption that you thought you could paper over with "conventional wisdom via the prosperity gospel" that if someone gets paid more then it automatically means they're of higher moral character and thus, more employable.
You got out over your skis. It's OK. It happens. How you deal with it will determine how you are treated by me moving forward.
Because your belief that Costco has higher standards for hiring is bullshit, isn't it?
Yes. Because the hiring standards that you maintained were in use, aren't there at all. In fact, there are no minimum standard requirements for applying for a position at either company, are there? Be honest.
No. No. I'm not telling myself anything. I'm telling you that offering a higher wage attracts those with a better work history. I never mentioned character.
You didn't use the word "character", but your prosperity gospel is clear in your posts.
Fact is that the hiring standards for Walmart and Costco are the same, since the jobs are the same. You seem to think that a higher wage is commensurate with skill, and that's a fallacy that comes from the "prosperity gospel". Fact is that it takes equal skill to work at Walmart and Costco. One of those companies relies on government assistance for its employees, and the other doesn't. Now why is that the case, since both companies employ virtually the same number of people per store, who do the same job?
There's only one obvious answer; Walmart pays its employees less because Walmart would rather have the taxpayers shell out to cover their wage gap than be 40% less profitable.
That's what we're talking about here. It isn't about what the worker's value or worth is; it's what Walmart can get away with at the lowest possible level to achieve high profit margins.
So this ludicrous belief that skill determines wage in these types of positions is bullshit, isn't it? You can admit it. I won't think any less of you if you do.
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You never took a college level course in microeconomics, have you? Otherwise you'd understand the concept of marginal utility as it applies to wages, which is basically what I'm trying to explain to you without success. In simple terms, you get what you pay for.Because you made the argument that Costco has different hiring standards than Walmart, but then you didn't actually show what those standards are.
You make no sense.You made an assumption that you thought you could paper over with "conventional wisdom via the prosperity gospel" that if someone gets paid more then it automatically means they're of higher moral character and thus, more employable.
No, the concept of marginal utility as it applies to employee wages is above your comprehension level.You got out over your skis.
Let me know if I'm supposed to care.How you deal with it will determine how you are treated by me moving forward.
Sure. Less employees needed per unit sold. Hope that helped.
That doesn't matter when it comes to the skill required for the worker to do their job, does it? It doesn't take more skill for a Costco Sales Associate to sell in bulk vs. a Walmart Sales Associate to sell not in bulk, does it?
So if there's no skill gap, why is there a wage gap?
There is only one answer; Walmart exploits US taxpayers to achieve profits.
You never took a college level course in microeconomics, have you? Otherwise you'd understand the concept of marginal utility as it applies to wages, which is basically what I'm trying to explain to you without success. In simple terms, you get what you pay for. You make no sense.
Not only did I study micro and macroeconomics, but I also have the ability to go to the job sites for both companies and see that the qualifications for the same positions at both are the same.
So since there's no skill gap when it comes to those identical jobs, why is there a wage gap?
There is only one answer; Walmart is exploiting US taxpayers and government assistance to inflate its profits, 51% of which go to the Walton family.
YNo, the concept of marginal utility as it applies to employee wages is above your comprehension level. Let me know if I'm supposed to care.
If Walmart paid its workers the same wage Costco does, would Walmart still be profitable?
If the answer is yes, then there's no excuse to not raise wages and get off the government dole.
If the answer is no, then Walmart doesn't deserve to exist and is a failed welfare business.
It can only be one of those two things.