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Why did you leave out his successes? People who fail and don't give up are often the most successful.
U.S. in Early Talks for Summit Between Trump and Putin
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Why did you leave out his successes? People who fail and don't give up are often the most successful.
Trump is a con artist.. I don't admire that.. Why do you suppose US banks won't loan him any money?
There was a time when Putin went on a charm offensive.. Watch Putin's Way on PBS. You'll get it.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
You’re talking to someone who stood up for Romney when he was mocked for calling Russia the biggest geopolitical threat lol.
I didn’t totally agree with him because China is actually scarier, but it demonstrated how unserious progressives tend to be on foreign policy.
Putin is Putin. He’s a thug and essentially a dictator. But, so are a majority of the characters on the world stage—outside of the western nations. You trust them about as far as you can throw them.
Putin is a thug but he can be reasoned with. He has his Russian interests and Trump has our interests. Let them meet and hash it out.
Nomad
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So suspecting a Russian President (goes without saying) and an American President against whom there is a TON of evidence, of having engaged in anti-American activity is (in the realm of your limited mental capacity) the same thing as McCarthy having falsely accused artists, writers, actors, film directors and producers as well as everyday citizens by the dozens, of being Communists????
You can't make this kind of shit up, people!!!
The only question is whether Barf Omar is actually dumb enough to think that nonsense is true, or if he's just engaging in typical desperate, sleazeball rwnj obfuscation tactics.
Either way, claiming that suspecting or believing Trump and Putin coddled up to each other to swing the election to their preferred candidate with some kind of quid pro quo in mind, is the equivalent of the 1950's "Red Scare" is beyond mere idiotic hyperbole.
Sure Clinton, Bush II and Obama all wanted to get along with Putin, but none of them owed him any favors.
Think about it.
If you can think.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
So suspecting a Russian President (goes without saying) and an American President against whom there is a TON of evidence, of having engaged in anti-American activity is (in the realm of your limited mental capacity) the same thing as McCarthy having falsely accused artists, writers, actors, film directors and producers as well as everyday citizens by the dozens, of being Communists????
You can't make this kind of shit up, people!!!
The only question is whether Barf Omar is actually dumb enough to think that nonsense is true, or if he's just engaging in typical desperate, sleazeball rwnj obfuscation tactics.
Either way, claiming that suspecting or believing Trump and Putin coddled up to each other to swing the election to their preferred candidate with some kind of quid pro quo in mind, is the equivalent of the 1950's "Red Scare" is beyond mere idiotic hyperbole.
Sure Clinton, Bush II and Obama all wanted to get along with Putin, but none of them owed him any favors.
Think about it.
If you can think.
McCarthy was sure he was onto something too lol.
the bolded is realpolitik
One...if the initiatives on right now were those of Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton...the American right would be in a rage...and you know it.
Two...to suppose that negotiations with Donald Trump as one participant, to suppose "there is nothing to lose" is insanity, Darth.
Think about it!
Darth Omar
Russian asset
Obama pulled one of our defense systems out of Poland and we got nothing in exchange.
That isn’t the way Trump rolls lol. I’m confident he’ll do better than that.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
gg, Republicans.....
Darth Omar
Russian asset
And realpolitik is basically common sense.
There’s nothing to be gained by thinking the world is a nice place populated by altruistic leaders. At best, they are motivated by self-interest but are otherwise basically honest brokers. Most of the western leaders would fall in that group.
Putin would screw us if he thought he could get away with it. China is no different and nobody seems to care that we talk them or think the sky will fall if we do.
Trump has an advantage over some past presidents insofar as he is a ‘real worlder’, for lack of a better term lol. His view of the world isn’t colored by his ideology [does he even have one?]—but by practical experience in dealing with people in his real estate business.
No doubt some of them were minor league Putins.
to the bolded..yes they are "rational actors"
Could be. But I stand by what I said...and appreciate you giving me an opportunity to say it for the third time here. If the initiatives on right now were those of Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton...the American right would be in a rage...and you know it. And to suppose that in negotiations with Donald Trump as a participant that "there is nothing to lose" is insanity.
Trump is a loser...and so are his supporters, Darth. You ought not to be a party to that.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
I think we’re winners since elections are the only metric that matters lol.
You are free to do that, but I consider Donald Trump to be a loser...and his supporters to be even greater losers.
Oh...and because of his election, I consider our nation (and the rest of the world, for that matter) to be losers also.
We all lost when this abomination was elected.
Should Trump go for a treaty with Kim instead just a "deal" which is vulnerable to future dismantling?
McCarthy: Trump Should Present NKorea Deal as Treaty to Congress.....
President Donald Trump should avoid the mistakes former President Barack Obama made with the Iran deal and submit any deal with North Korea for approval as a treaty, House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy said Saturday.
"The one thing I have found, if it's going to be long-standing, I think treaties are longer standing and supportive from administration to administration," the California Republican told MSNBC's Hugh Hewitt.
Obama approved the international Iran nuclear deal by signing off on it as an executive agreement rather than a treaty. This allowed Trump to pull the United States out of the pact earlier this year.
By making any agreement with North Korea a treaty, that would negate arguments that Trump's action on the Iran deal could be repeated with North Korea, or that it makes other countries cautious about penning deals with the United States, said McCarthy.
He said he also does not agree that Trump's action made his upcoming North Korea negotiations more difficult.
“How can you negotiate with North Korea to say to end the nuclear weapons that they have if you’re allowing Iran to develop one?" said McCarthy. "That was the wrong approach all along, and I think the president took the right approach by saying no to Iran and sitting down with North Korea and saying you have to stop."
A few weeks ago, Trump pulled out of his upcoming summit with North Korea leader Kim Jong Un, but as of Friday, he'd said the summit remained in play.
McCarthy compared his action to one late President Ronald Reagan used while dealing with the Soviet Union. At that time, Reagan was willing to walk away from negotiations if they were not going how he wished, but would talk when they were heading in the direction he wanted.
"They criticized Ronald Reagan when he got up and walked away out of Iceland against [Mikhail] Gorbachev," said McCarthy. "But would the Berlin Wall have collapsed, or the Soviet Union, had he not? I think President Trump is taking that same approach. He’s making sure that for this negotiation to go forward, that the tone is set correctly. To have an agreement means that you have to, he’s been very clear, you have to end any nuclear weapons that you have or any development of that for any agreement to go forward. And he would put that into stone by going forward with the treaty."
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/do...ck-obama-kevin-mccarthy/2018/06/02/id/863804/
Darth Omar
Russian asset
Yet, the economy is booming, the prospect of peace looms on the Korean Peninsula and Trump is well into his second year without getting us into a war or engaged in mindless Middle East regime change.
If that is ‘lost’, then I wish we’d gotten lost about a decade ago.
Your TDS is abominable lol.
Nice try, Darth...but the abomination in the Oval Office has made losers of us all.
The economy has pretty much been on an upswing for the last 9 years...unemployment has been heading lower for the last 9 years...the Korean Peninsula is no safer now than it was during the last 5 decades. The only think Trump can get credit for is not screwing it up any more than necessary SO FAR...albeit, not for a lack of trying.
The abomination has not done anything of value for our nation...and has made all of humanity a loser.