Poll: Large majorities of Americans want to preserve Obamacare's consumer protections

Conservatives act exclusively in bad faith because being Conservative means sacrificing your moral character to achieve purely selfish goals.

Every single Conservative is guilty of this. Having Conservative beliefs means you have inherent bad faith. It means you can't be trusted to be honest. Conservatives come on boards like these and play pretend; they pretend to be small business owners, they pretend to be veterans, they pretend to be educated, they pretend to be successful. It's all an act to mask the crippling insecurities they have at not achieving anything in life despite having every institutional advantage available to them.

They're the stupid-and-proud-of-it clowns who all supported Bush the Dumber because they wanted to have a beer with him...even though he is a recovering alcoholic and couldn't drink with them even if he wanted to (which he doesn't).

You mean like you pretending you're a man?
 
I'm a (classic) liberal , self employed small business owner whose employes got royally fucked by ACA. As did I, but not as bad as them. But that's always been the goal of modern liberalism - penalize the responsible, reward the irresponsible.
We loose, the irresponsible outnumber the responsible . Doesn't matter. I'm clever enough to still take advantage of you.

You're a fucking racist right wing nut job......you are not fooling anyone.
 
Of course, this is bullshit.

Small businesses under 50 employees were exempt from the mandate to provide insurance, and the ACA offered massive tax credits to any small business under 50 employees that does provide them with coverage.

You guys can't even lie effectively. You're all liars. You lie about yourselves on anonymous message boards in order to lend your shitty arguments credibility they don't otherwise have on the facts or merits.

You're a fraud. And you know it.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

You win the internet today.

I've been calling this mofo out as a fraud for years.

Make no mistake, he supports EVERYTHING THAT COMES FROM THE RACIST RIGHT.
 
... while claiming yo be a 'classic' liberal.

Everything it said was a lie.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Remember when he was a libertarian...................LMAOOOOOOOOOOO

Oh and he didn't vote for dump......rolling my eyes.

He use to get away with this on the DCJ cause everyone believed him...........well except for me.
 
Conservatives act exclusively in bad faith because being Conservative means sacrificing your moral character to achieve purely selfish goals.

Every single Conservative is guilty of this. Having Conservative beliefs means you have inherent bad faith. It means you can't be trusted to be honest. Conservatives come on boards like these and play pretend; they pretend to be small business owners, they pretend to be veterans, they pretend to be educated, they pretend to be successful. It's all an act to mask the crippling insecurities they have at not achieving anything in life despite having every institutional advantage available to them.

They're the stupid-and-proud-of-it clowns who all supported Bush the Dumber because they wanted to have a beer with him...even though he is a recovering alcoholic and couldn't drink with them even if he wanted to (which he doesn't).


OUCH!

Standing ovation!
 
Conservatives act exclusively in bad faith because being Conservative means sacrificing your moral character to achieve purely selfish goals.

Every single Conservative is guilty of this. Having Conservative beliefs means you have inherent bad faith. It means you can't be trusted to be honest. Conservatives come on boards like these and play pretend; they pretend to be small business owners, they pretend to be veterans, they pretend to be educated, they pretend to be successful. It's all an act to mask the crippling insecurities they have at not achieving anything in life despite having every institutional advantage available to them.

They're the stupid-and-proud-of-it clowns who all supported Bush the Dumber because they wanted to have a beer with him...even though he is a recovering alcoholic and couldn't drink with them even if he wanted to (which he doesn't).

Republicans/conservatives aren't the ones who enacted a law that denied 5 million working poor people subsidies or medicaid so that people making well above the median income can get free birth control and mammograms. Your great democratic hero John McCain warned about this when he unsuccessfully tried to get Obama to put a brake on what was going to transpire.
 
I understood completely. You want someone to get coverage under a healthcare policy for which the coverage isn't part of the policy because 'it's the nice things to do'.

Because they're not my responsibility. It isn't about whether or not other people are covered. It's about the whiners that aren't paying for certain provisions of a policy yet still want to be covered as if they did.

Yep. If you're dying and want care but can't get it, you're a whiner. :|

Not providing someone with something for which they didn't pay has nothing to do with being or not being decent. It has to do with being smart. Should an apartment complex provide a place to someone that isn't paying rent? A car dealer let you drive a car off the lot if you don't pay? A gas station let you pump gas if you don't give them the price/gallon for it?

Caring for the sick is far different from handing out houses and cars. What an ignorant response. Take a goddamn ethics class, you act like basic empathy and compassion is alien to you. You don't understand how being ambivalent to the health and well being of others just so you can save a little bit of tax money is gross. To you, it's just the same as handing out random ass luxury goods. Get your head out of your ass.

I can imagine you'd let small children slowly starve to death right in front of you while you look on eating a sandwich. After all, should car dealers just hand out cars to people? Why should you hand out your sandwich to people who didn't buy it? Lazy whiners.
 
The repub party is all about eliminating social programs that they disgustingly call entitlements. They want Social Security., Medicare, Medicaid, and other programs that help the poor and disabled in the economy, ended. They are all about helping the super wealthy get richer and more powerful. You can bet, they have their own vision of America and they are telling you what it is , if you are paying attentiion. It is a big change to a plutocracy run be the super rich who will dictate the new laws and regulations. They are gutting votiong and will do more and more to handle it.
 
Republicans/conservatives aren't the ones who enacted a law that denied 5 million working poor people subsidies or medicaid so that people making well above the median income can get free birth control and mammograms.

WTF are you talking about?


Your great democratic hero John McCain warned about this when he unsuccessfully tried to get Obama to put a brake on what was going to transpire.

I have no idea what you're talking about here.
 
You keep making excuses because you didn't agree with the explanation.

Because "the Constitution" is not an explanation for why you think your health care is enhanced or improved by tying a profit motive to the administration of reimbursements to providers after they treat patients.
 
When YOUR entire argument about general welfare centers around you wanting something provided by the government that you're jealous someone else earned, it invalidates whatever you claim.

I think you're just being a contrarian because you don't want to admit that your argument against single payer has a few fatal flaws to it.
 
Could Obamacare Lead to a Medical Marijuana Revolution?
Obamacare could offer a number of benefits to the medical marijuana industry, but presents an equally high number of challenges.
Sep 20, 2015

Whether you realize it or not, there's a revolution going on in the healthcare sector -- or two, to be more precise.

Two wildly different healthcare forces at work
On one end of the spectrum we have the Affordable Care Act, known better as Obamacare, which is in the process of transforming the way we purchase health insurance and receive medical care.

On the other end we have marijuana, a drug that it still illegal under federal law, which the American public and nearly half of all U.S. states have rallied around to some extent.
For the states, it's an added source of revenue that can fund everything from education to jobs.

BUT THE CARTELS HATE IT!

https://www.fool.com/personal-finan...acare-lead-to-a-medical-marijuana-revolu.aspx

CHALLENGES ACCOMPLISHED!!!!?
 
Hello anonymoose,

I'm a (classic) liberal , self employed small business owner whose employes got royally fucked by ACA.

It's good to care about workers, but it is bad to show indifference to fellow US citizens. MILLIONS OF AMERICANS experienced new access to healthcare which simply was not available to them previously. The ACA is far from perfect, but it is a far cry better than what preceded it.

As did I, but not as bad as them.

If your rates went up after the PPACA, how is that any different from what was happening prior?

Did you really think whatever rate you were paying was going to stay the same?

But that's always been the goal of modern liberalism - penalize the responsible, reward the irresponsible.

That caricature of liberal goals is nothing but propaganda, made-up by the shock-factor talking heads to get attention and sell advertising.

We loose, the irresponsible outnumber the responsible .

I think you meant 'lose.' Also, wealth and responsibility are not synonymous. Many on the dole would much prefer to have the self-esteem of a job they can live on. Since capitalism is not well regulated enough, and minimum wage is a poverty wage, many work at the min wage or near it at jobs which have no benefits and no guarantee of full time employment, but it is the only job they can find. Big corporations are only to happy to let the government pick up feeding their workers if they can get away with it.

Doesn't matter. I'm clever enough to still take advantage of you.

If it doesn't matter to you; what are you complaining about? We see where your concerns are in this statement. You've made your indifference to the plight of the underadvantaged quite clear.
 
WTF are you talking about?




I have no idea what you're talking about here.

Your one-sided understanding of facts is duly noted.

"President Obama sparred with his 2008 presidential opponent Sen. John McCain at the health care summit, telling the Arizona Republican "we're not campaigning anymore. The election's over."
The president was responding to McCain's comments in which he complained that the health care bill was not produced in the open, but "behind closed doors."

McCain complained of "unsavory" dealmaking to get the bill passed in the Senate, including promises to give special deals to residents of Louisiana, Nebraska and Florida. (Some of those provisions were removed in Mr. Obama's plan released Monday.)

He pointed to a number of issues, including the PhRMA deal and a provision mandating $100 million for a Connecticut hospital, asking "why should that happen?"

At one point, Mr. Obama tried to interject. "Can I just finish, please," McCain said, cutting off the president.

"People are angry," McCain said. "We promised them change in Washington, and what we got was a process that you and I both said we would change."

He called on Democrats to "go back to the beginning" and "remove all the special deals for the special interests and the favored few," adding that he favors a system in which "geography does not dictate what kind of health care."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-to-mccain-the-elections-over/
 
Yep. If you're dying and want care but can't get it, you're a whiner. :|



Caring for the sick is far different from handing out houses and cars. What an ignorant response. Take a goddamn ethics class, you act like basic empathy and compassion is alien to you. You don't understand how being ambivalent to the health and well being of others just so you can save a little bit of tax money is gross. To you, it's just the same as handing out random ass luxury goods. Get your head out of your ass.

I can imagine you'd let small children slowly starve to death right in front of you while you look on eating a sandwich. After all, should car dealers just hand out cars to people? Why should you hand out your sandwich to people who didn't buy it? Lazy whiners.

You're a whiner because you demand something be given to you that wasn't part of an agreement YOU made.

The only difference is the specific example. ALL of them involve a situation where someone isn't paying for what they want but expecting it to be given to them because they WANT it.

Strange how bleeding hearts like you talk about compassion and empathy yet your entire argument centers around some other entity providing someone something for which an agreement didn't include those items. How about you find all of those you think deserve something they don't have and purchase it for them with YOUR money. As far as ethics is concerned, what you're trying convince me to support is what you believe about someone being provided with something they didn't pay for. What's gross is that you think SOMEONE ELSE should pay more in taxes while your refuse to personally do for those for which you claim to care. BTW, housing isn't a luxury. By definition, it's a need. Perhaps you should take a basic Economics class.

I shouldn't hand out my sandwich to someone that didn't pay for it. If it's my kids, rest assured they will eat because they're MY responsibility. If it's someone else's kids, those kids are the responsibility of the ones that produced them. Remember, the choice to have them was made by the one that says what she does with her body is her choice. From that moment on, the one making the choice has relieved the rest of us from any responsibility. What that means, despite you wanting me to have a responsibility for a choice I didn't make, is that no accountability exists. You can't be held accountable for not doing something for which you don't have a responsibility to do.
 
Because "the Constitution" is not an explanation for why you think your health care is enhanced or improved by tying a profit motive to the administration of reimbursements to providers after they treat patients.

That wasn't what the use of the Constitution as an explanation was trying to do. Please keep up.
 
I think you're just being a contrarian because you don't want to admit that your argument against single payer has a few fatal flaws to it.

The flaws have been shown. You refuse to accept them because you're jealous.
 
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