Poll: Large majorities of Americans want to preserve Obamacare's consumer protections

[PostmodernProphet]

I am fooled. [/B]

I know, right?......

 

[PostmodernProphet]

The repub party is all about eliminating social programs that they disgustingly call entitlements. They want Social Security., Medicare, Medicaid, and other programs that help the poor and disabled in the economy, ended. They are all about helping the super wealthy get richer and more powerful. You can bet, they have their own vision of America and they are telling you what it is , if you are paying attentiion. It is a big change to a plutocracy run be the super rich who will dictate the new laws and regulations. They are gutting votiong and will do more and more to handle it.

lol dude, every single thing you said was an outright lie......

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Forget about vermin like banjofuck or bullshit blob. There's no point in even discussing them.

The typical Trumpanzee is the person who needs a social safety net the most.

Unfortunately, he/she is both iceberg lettuce dumb and batshit crazy,

therefore thinking that the billionaire Koch Brothers' chosen candidate is the right choice for him/her.

Would a real God have allowed people that stupid and gullible to roam the earth?

 

[anonymoose]

Of course, this is bullshit.

Small businesses under 50 employees were exempt from the mandate to provide insurance, and the ACA offered massive tax credits to any small business under 50 employees that does provide them with coverage.

You guys can't even lie effectively. You're all liars. You lie about yourselves on anonymous message boards in order to lend your shitty arguments credibility they don't otherwise have on the facts or merits.

You're a fraud. And you know it.

Nope you're the fraud. My employees got fucked because I could no longer afford to provide them health ins. I took it away and raised their salaries by the equivalent of what it would have cost me to provide this hlth.ins. Because of the ind. mandate they had to purchase shitty ins. with outrageously high deductibles and premiums which covered nothing unless they had some kind of terminal illness- worthless , expensive ins.

 

[anonymoose]

It's good to care about workers, but it is bad to show indifference to fellow US citizens. MILLIONS OF AMERICANS experienced new access to healthcare which simply was not available to them previously. The ACA is far from perfect, but it is a far cry better than what preceded it.



If your rates went up after the PPACA, how is that any different from what was happening prior?

Did you really think whatever rate you were paying was going to stay the same?

If it doesn't matter to you; what are you complaining about?

The plight of my employees.

We see where your concerns are in this statement. You've made your indifference to the plight of the underadvantaged quite clear.

An ex employee of mine whom I fired for forging prescriptions and was convicted of the felony spent an estimated $900/mo. on cigs. Yet she qualified for expanded Medicaid . You are wrong about my indifference to people like her - she can and should eat shit and rot. Society is better off without the likes of her.
Expanded Medicaid in effect subsidizes her personal irresponsibility.

 

[Lesh]

Nope you're the fraud. My employees got fucked because I could no longer afford to provide them health ins. I took it away and raised their salaries by the equivalent of what it would have cost me to provide this hlth.ins. Because of the ind. mandate they had to purchase shitty ins. with outrageously high deductibles and premiums which covered nothing unless they had some kind of terminal illness- worthless , expensive ins.

What state?

Not that we'll check...but we will

 

[anonymoose]

The ACA is far from perfect, but it is a far cry better than what preceded it.

Disagree. As I've said from day one all ACA did was rearrange who got effed.
I'm for universal hlth. care which everybody pays into in some way (different options). I've explained my plan which I called Moosecare but it is too brilliant of a system for politicians to comprehend well enough to enact.
Especially nowadays where politicians on both sides tend to be too extreme to come to any kind of meaningful agreement for the good of the population.

 

[anonymoose]

What state?

Not that we'll check...but we will

Alaska.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

A majority of the population is for single payer.

Watch how the system fails to respond to the will of the people.

Yet again.

 

[TrippyHippy]

You're a whiner because you demand something be given to you that wasn't part of an agreement YOU made.

I'm not demanding anything. I'm perfectly healthy, and I am part of a health share which has my back whenever that stands to change. I just happen to be able to give a half ounce of thought to other people's situations.

The only difference is the specific example. ALL of them involve a situation where someone isn't paying for what they want but expecting it to be given to them because they WANT it.

Because they "want" it? Seriously? You have a very twisted view of the world if you see sick and dying people as entitled losers whining because they want something.

Strange how bleeding hearts like you talk about compassion and empathy yet your entire argument centers around some other entity providing someone something for which an agreement didn't include those items. How about you find all of those you think deserve something they don't have and purchase it for them with YOUR money. As far as ethics is concerned, what you're trying convince me to support is what you believe about someone being provided with something they didn't pay for. What's gross is that you think SOMEONE ELSE should pay more in taxes while your refuse to personally do for those for which you claim to care.

First of all, someone else pay more in taxes? We all pay taxes, numb nut. Including me.

Second of all, you can take your fake fiscal conservatism and shove it up your ass. You don't care the least bit about the tax rate when it's paying for things you want. You have no problem with the roughly $51 billion blown every year on the war on drugs. Or the fact we spend more on our national defense than the next 8 countries combined. While we're at it, how about the $70 billion wall you want built? But lo and behold, when someone's dying or needs a bite to eat...you magically become a fiscal conservative out of nowhere.

Third, quote me on where I said I support raising taxes. Because that was never said.

BTW, housing isn't a luxury. By definition, it's a need. Perhaps you should take a basic Economics class.

Shelter is a need, owning a house is a luxury.

I shouldn't hand out my sandwich to someone that didn't pay for it. If it's my kids, rest assured they will eat because they're MY responsibility. If it's someone else's kids, those kids are the responsibility of the ones that produced them. Remember, the choice to have them was made by the one that says what she does with her body is her choice. From that moment on, the one making the choice has relieved the rest of us from any responsibility. What that means, despite you wanting me to have a responsibility for a choice I didn't make, is that no accountability exists. You can't be held accountable for not doing something for which you don't have a responsibility to do.

You are a ridiculous person.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

I'm not demanding anything. I'm perfectly healthy, and I am part of a health share which has my back whenever that stands to change. I just happen to be able to give a half ounce of thought to other people's situations.



Because they "want" it? Seriously? You have a very twisted view of the world if you see sick and dying people as entitled losers whining because they want something.



First of all, someone else pay more in taxes? We all pay taxes, numb nut. Including me.

Second of all, you can take your fake fiscal conservatism and shove it up your ass. You don't care the least bit about the tax rate when it's paying for things you want. You have no problem with the roughly $51 billion blown every year on the war on drugs. Or the fact we spend more on our national defense than the next 8 countries combined. While we're at it, how about the $70 billion wall you want built? But lo and behold, when someone's dying or needs a bite to eat...you magically become a fiscal conservative out of nowhere.

Third, quote me on where I said I support raising taxes. Because that was never said.



Shelter is a need, owning a house is a luxury.



You are a ridiculous person.

Let's not forget that $21T the Pentagon cannot account for spending between 1998-2015. It is not that america cannot afford to be a 21st century society, we simply choose not to be so we can afford empire and to subsidize a ruling aristocracy instead.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello anonymoose,

Disagree. As I've said from day one all ACA did was rearrange who got effed.
I'm for universal hlth. care which everybody pays into in some way (different options). I've explained my plan which I called Moosecare but it is too brilliant of a system for politicians to comprehend well enough to enact.
Especially nowadays where politicians on both sides tend to be too extreme to come to any kind of meaningful agreement for the good of the population.

I'd be interested in hearing more about Moosecare.

If we could start all over, I would prefer government-owned, government-run health care. No insurance at all. Everybody is covered. Because really, government is us. We would own our own health care system by being Americans. How do we pay for it? Taxes, of course. It's not for profit. It has expenses. They have to be paid for. Taxing is the logical way to do that.

Make serving in the health care system like serving in the military. Serving your nation. The military runs hospitals and takes care of military people. Also their dependents. It does a good job. There is no profit incentive required. The workers are proud to do their part to serve their nation. That's how Govcare should work.

We should run all the labs and also drug MFG. The for-profit pharma industry has no interest in solving any diseases. They don't want cures. There's not as much profit in producing a pill that cures a disease as there is in coming up with something that only treats the symptoms. If they created cures, they would only sell what is needed to eliminate the disease, and with it, their profits. If they create treatments for managing the disease, they ensure they will be profitable as long as that disease is a afflicting society.

What is to stop diabolical profit-makers in that industry from coming up with a new disease and releasing it into the public, something only they can produce the remedy for?

Our self-government would have different motivation. If our government is working for us like it is supposed to be, the goal would be to cure diseases, reduce the need for health care, keep as many citizens as happy and drug-free as possible, thus reducing costs and serving the nation best. There would also be a strong incentive to promote healthy living habits. One of the reasons health care costs so much is because we get so sick. The healthier the nation is, the less health care will cost us.

A health care system owned by the people would serve the people.

Our health care system is owned by the rich, so that's who it serves the best.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

Hello anonymoose,



I'd be interested in hearing more about Moosecare.

If we could start all over, I would prefer government-owned, government-run health care. No insurance at all. Everybody is covered. Because really, government is us. We would own our own health care system by being Americans. How do we pay for it? Taxes, of course. It's not for profit. It has expenses. They have to be paid for. Taxing is the logical way to do that.

Make serving in the health care system like serving in the military. Serving your nation. The military runs hospitals and takes care of military people. Also their dependents. It does a good job. There is no profit incentive required. The workers are proud to do their part to serve their nation. That's how Govcare should work.

We should run all the labs and also drug MFG. The for-profit pharma industry has no interest in solving any diseases. They don't want cures. There's not as much profit in producing a pill that cures a disease as there is in coming up with something that only treats the symptoms. If they created cures, they would only sell what is needed to eliminate the disease, and with it, their profits. If they create treatments for managing the disease, they ensure they will be profitable as long as that disease is a afflicting society.

What is to stop diabolical profit-makers in that industry from coming up with a new disease and releasing it into the public, something only they can produce the remedy for?

Our self-government would have different motivation. If our government is working for us like it is supposed to be, the goal would be to cure diseases, reduce the need for health care, keep as many citizens as happy and drug-free as possible, thus reducing costs and serving the nation best. There would also be a strong incentive to promote healthy living habits. One of the reasons health care costs so much is because we get so sick. The healthier the nation is, the less health care will cost us.

A health care system owned by the people would serve the people.

Our health care system is owned by the rich, so that's who it serves the best.

Because really, government is us. We would own our own health care system by being Americans. How do we pay for it? Taxes, of course. It's not for profit. It has expenses. They have to be paid for. Taxing is the logical way to do that.

Americans have been bamboozled into acceptance of the notion that a taxation system designed to subsidize the aristocracy is "conservative", but one designed to benefit society as a whole is "socialist/communist".

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Fentoine Lum,

Originally Posted by PoliTalker: "Because really, government is us. We would own our own health care system by being Americans. How do we pay for it? Taxes, of course. It's not for profit. It has expenses. They have to be paid for. Taxing is the logical way to do that."

Americans have been bamboozled into acceptance of the notion that a taxation system designed to subsidize the aristocracy is "conservative", but one designed to benefit society as a whole is "socialist/communist".

That is so well put.

That is what propaganda has done. It has turned conservatives into defenders of great wealth. Conservatives vote for everything that helps the super-rich; even at their own detriment.

 

[Teflon Don]

so you ask people whether they like being covered for everything and they like not having to pay more despite their medical history. Yet you dont ask them whether they want 4x the premiums and deductibles.

well i like bacon and cheeseburgers too but i dont like the heart disease that comes with them. If only you could get one without the other.

Don’t forget asking a lazy millennial like Watermark if likes staying on his daddy’s health insurance until he is 26

I remember a time when 26 meant you were an adult taking care of yourself.

But not in the liberal mind

Maybe that provision was an acknowledgement of how shitty Obama’s economy was that these kids couldn’t find jobs?

 

[Fentoine Lum]

Hello Fentoine Lum,





That is so well put.

That is what propaganda has done. It has turned conservatives into defenders of great wealth. Conservatives vote for everything that helps the super-rich; even at their own detriment.

Some of us can recall when conservatives were, well, conservative. And when that was a legit, rational, rationally expressed political point of view. Conservatives of the republican party had their racists, as did the "other" party, and its fundamentalist preachers in check. Or at the very least made a serious attempt to.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

Don’t forget asking a lazy millennial like Watermark if likes staying on his daddy’s health insurance until he is 26

I remember a time when 26 meant you were an adult taking care of yourself.

But not in the liberal mind

Maybe that provision was an acknowledgement of how shitty Obama’s economy was that these kids couldn’t find jobs?

So many to ostracize and demean, so little time. While other post industrial societies invest in their societies, america invests in its aristocracy. This is how we will be globally competitive.

 

[anonymoose]

Hello anonymoose,



I'd be interested in hearing more about Moosecare.

If we could start all over, I would prefer government-owned, government-run health care. No insurance at all. Everybody is covered. Because really, government is us. We would own our own health care system by being Americans. How do we pay for it? Taxes, of course. It's not for profit. It has expenses. They have to be paid for. Taxing is the logical way to do that.

Make serving in the health care system like serving in the military. Serving your nation. The military runs hospitals and takes care of military people. Also their dependents. It does a good job. There is no profit incentive required. The workers are proud to do their part to serve their nation. That's how Govcare should work.

We should run all the labs and also drug MFG. The for-profit pharma industry has no interest in solving any diseases. They don't want cures. There's not as much profit in producing a pill that cures a disease as there is in coming up with something that only treats the symptoms. If they created cures, they would only sell what is needed to eliminate the disease, and with it, their profits. If they create treatments for managing the disease, they ensure they will be profitable as long as that disease is a afflicting society.

What is to stop diabolical profit-makers in that industry from coming up with a new disease and releasing it into the public, something only they can produce the remedy for?

Our self-government would have different motivation. If our government is working for us like it is supposed to be, the goal would be to cure diseases, reduce the need for health care, keep as many citizens as happy and drug-free as possible, thus reducing costs and serving the nation best. There would also be a strong incentive to promote healthy living habits. One of the reasons health care costs so much is because we get so sick. The healthier the nation is, the less health care will cost us.

A health care system owned by the people would serve the people.

Our health care system is owned by the rich, so that's who it serves the best.

We are in agreement on some of those things. The fact that you're curious in my Moosecare proposal tells me you're one of the few here more concerned with solutions than extreme side taking. We could probably come up with a compromise agreeable to both of us. Too bad our politicians aren't like us.
I'll give you my Moosecare proposal after I get back from Hawaii tomorrow. Too inconvenient on a iPad.

 

[TrippyHippy]

Let's not forget that $21T the Pentagon cannot account for spending between 1998-2015. It is not that america cannot afford to be a 21st century society, we simply choose not to be so we can afford empire and to subsidize a ruling aristocracy instead.

Basic human compassion is far cheaper than maintaining the corporate oligarchy. A system truly working for the people could easily halve taxes while taking care of the bare needs of everyone in the country.

 

[Nordberg]

We are in agreement on some of those things. The fact that you're curious in my Moosecare proposal tells me you're one of the few here more concerned with solutions than extreme side taking. We could probably come up with a compromise agreeable to both of us. Too bad our politicians aren't like us.
I'll give you my Moosecare proposal after I get back from Hawaii tomorrow. Too inconvenient on a iPad.

Fact is if we get universal medical care we eliminate the VA, Medicare, Medicaid. People can go to any doctor or hospital. We also eliminate the gatekeepers who make more money by refusing health care that has been paid for. That is Insurance companies. They are in healthcare denial business. Their profits go up if they can make healthcare such a miserable experience that you will qiuit fighting them. outr system is wrong in every view. Unless you are very rich and have access to medical that most of us do not.

Trump is rich and he had medical hacks taking care of him. That shows you how nuts he is.