Women Need To Carry Guns When Going Out Alone.

"and it's happened in the past" SY #219
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Difficult for me to imagine how it could have happened in the future.

Yes.
Anyone can have a gun taken from them.

BUT !!

When you're OTJ you're in combat mode. You're deliberately vigilant, etc.
When you're in stiletto heels, sauntering to the Friday night hot-spot hoping George finally hits on you, mortal combat is not the top priority on your mind.
"anyone can have a gun taken from them.......even cops and it's happened" SY
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Certainly.
But that's not a binary.
The scientific quantification is the per capita ratio.
And by that scientific standard, the well trained policeman or military guard & firearm is far safer, more secure that that totally hot chick in her pocketless evening dress.
"I'm 100% positive I never made that comment." SY #219
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I'll quote you.
"situational awareness training can mitigate most of those." SY #217
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Enjoy Patriot's Day
 
SmarterthanYou said:
can you explain?
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Sure. For example, police do not generally run away from danger. If your day consists of responding to calls about criminal activity, and intentionally confronting that activity, your day is very different from the average person's day. Similarly, there are big differences in average level of training.
 
O #224

True.
But that's the tip of the iceberg. There's vastly more to it than in which direction one runs in a local emergency.
 
Oneuli said:
Sure. For example, police do not generally run away from danger. If your day consists of responding to calls about criminal activity, and intentionally confronting that activity, your day is very different from the average person's day. Similarly, there are big differences in average level of training.
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I'm beginning to wonder about that. Walking into someone else's home, shooting them to death, and then explaining "I was confused" sounds a tad sketchily trained. So does murdering a 12 year old playing in a park with a toy gun within 2 seconds of rolling up on the child.

On the other hand, maybe that WAS the training. These things are not at all uncommon.
 
Fentoine Lum said:
I'm beginning to wonder about that. Walking into someone else's home, shooting them to death, and then explaining "I was confused" sounds a tad sketchily trained. So does murdering a 12 year old playing in a park with a toy gun within 2 seconds of rolling up on the child.

On the other hand, maybe that WAS the training. These things are not at all uncommon.
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I think the training is a part of it. When you read up on how police are trained, one feature is that they're shown videos of interactions gone wrong -- examples of a police officer speaking with a member of the public who doesn't appear to be armed, only to have the person suddenly pull a gun out of nowhere and shoot the cop without warning. It's the equivalent of those "scared straight" videos driver's ed students get showing all the horrible crap that can happen on the road if they aren't paying attention. The hope of the trainers is to make sure police are on their guard. But if police officers are shown such videos over and over, they can come away with a wildly exaggerated idea of the risks.... with only a few dozen police being killed in shootings on duty per year, out of way over a million full-time police officers, it's a statistically tiny risk. But if you've been programmed to think of every routine traffic stop or domestic call as potentially the one that makes your wife a widow, you're going to be quick to pull that trigger.
 
Fentoine Lum said:
I'm beginning to wonder about that. Walking into someone else's home, shooting them to death, and then explaining "I was confused" sounds a tad sketchily trained. So does murdering a 12 year old playing in a park with a toy gun within 2 seconds of rolling up on the child.

On the other hand, maybe that WAS the training. These things are not at all uncommon.
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Maybe Tamir's baby mama trained him on how to take the orange parts off the toy that cause it to be distinguishable from the real thing. Could have been his thug baby daddy if he's still around.
 
Oneuli said:
Sure. For example, police do not generally run away from danger. If your day consists of responding to calls about criminal activity, and intentionally confronting that activity, your day is very different from the average person's day. Similarly, there are big differences in average level of training.
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this alone shows your lack of knowledge regarding police training with firearms, but that just puts you on the same playing field with 90% of the population. the rest of what you stated is..........irrelevant.
 
Fentoine Lum said:
I'm beginning to wonder about that. Walking into someone else's home, shooting them to death, and then explaining "I was confused" sounds a tad sketchily trained. So does murdering a 12 year old playing in a park with a toy gun within 2 seconds of rolling up on the child.

On the other hand, maybe that WAS the training. These things are not at all uncommon.
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dont forget about shooting people in the back who are carrying a bb gun in walmart, solely based upon another persons call in about someone waving a gun.........in walmart........where toy guns are sold...........whatever.
 
Oneuli said:
That depends on which Mollie you mean. But remember the question isn't ultimately one for anecdotes, but rather specifics. If there are ten instances when a person wouldn't have died if she'd had a gun, and twenty where she wouldn't have died if she didn't have a gun, then you're less safe with a gun, notwithstanding the existence of genuine counterexamples.
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Oh stop it for heaven's sake, this only requires a dose of common sense.
 
philly rabbit said:
Let's end this now.

Does a woman have the right to carry a gun for self defense purposes if she so chooses to do so?

Yes or no please.

Either choice ends this one way or the other.
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It depends whether you live in a civilized country, I suppose! In most, why on earth should she need to?
 
Sorry, CFM - I don't see your posts. I've always found that our 'discussions' are not of enormous help to anyone! :)
 
philly rabbit said:
Let's end this now.

Does a woman have the right to carry a gun for self defense purposes if she so chooses to do so?
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That depends, of course.... it depends on the woman and the setting, for starters. For example, if the woman is a felon, in lot of states she has no right to a gun. If she's boarding a commercial plane and isn't an air marshall, she has no right to carry a gun. If she lives in Japan, she has no right to carry a gun. This is a man-made right --a convention of law-- and thus no single consistent answer can be given. Why do you ask?
 
Oneuli said:
How so? Be specific, please.
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the academy training in most states requires only 12 hours of firearms training and qualification. that's it. after that, it's a yearly qualification process that is an 8 hour day spent practicing on the day they qualify. the ONLY portion of law enforcement that does more firearms work is SWAT teams. The rest of training is spent on policy, procedure, equipment, and some on the actual law. so no, there is no 'months' of training on firearms......those 'months' are spent on the cop being able to follow department policies.
 
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