Why We Need Gun Restrictions

domer76 said:
There are no such thing as inalienable rights, dumbshit.

Find that term in the Constitution, idiot. Then, get back to me.
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this is why you're considered an idiot by most of the fucking planet. the whole constitution was based upon the idea of inalienable rights. now, if you REALLY need to go by the exact wording of the constitution alone, the feds have no power to make gun laws, but you can't have that, can you you little bitch? and vehicles are NOT necessary because you have no right to drive, remember that fuckwad?
 
Old Trapper said:
For a dumb fuck you just keep proving stupidity is forever. Did you even bother to read the article, or even the first paragraph?

Though more than 90% of the American public supports background checks for all gun sales, a dangerous and deadly loophole in federal gun laws still exempts unlicensed sellers from having to perform any background check whatsoever before selling a firearm. With this loophole, guns easily find their way into the hands of illegal buyers and gun traffickers, dramatically increasing the likelihood of gun murders and suicides.
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Seeing as how you are to ashamed at getting your ass handed to you with your own stupidity, I will post what you are afraid to from that link. It certainly proves your "only six states" comment completely wrong. No surprise there though.


Summary of Federal Law

Federal law imposes various duties on federally licensed firearms dealers. Firearms dealers must, among other things:

Perform background checks on prospective firearm purchasers.
Maintain records of all gun sales.
Make those records available to law enforcement for inspection.
Report certain multiple sales.
Report the theft or loss of a firearm from the licensee’s inventory.33 Federal law imposes none of these requirements on unlicensed sellers, however.

The Gun Control Act of 1968 provides that persons “engaged in the business” of dealing in firearms must be licensed.34 Although Congress did not originally define the term “engaged in the business,” it did so in 1986 as part of the McClure-Volkmer Act (also known as the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act). That act defined the term “engaged in the business,” as applied to a firearms dealer, as “a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms.”35

Significantly, however, the term was defined to exclude a person who “makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms.”36 According to a 1999 report issued by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the current definition of “engaged in the business” often frustrates the prosecution of “unlicensed dealers masquerading as collectors or hobbyists but who are really trafficking firearms to felons or other prohibited persons.”37
Summary of State Law

Twenty states and Washington DC have extended the background check requirement beyond federal law to at least some private sales.

Eleven states (California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington) and the District of Columbia require universal background checks at the point of sale for all sales and transfers of all classes of firearms, whether they are purchased from a licensed dealer or an unlicensed seller.38 (Note, however, that Nevada’s background check law, enacted through a voter ballot initiative in 2016, has not yet been implemented).39

Two more states, Maryland and Pennsylvania, require point of sale background checks for handguns but not for long guns, like rifles and shotguns.

Instead of a point of sale background check, three states (Hawaii, Illinois, and Massachusetts) require all firearm purchasers to obtain a permit, issued after a background check, in order to buy any firearm. New Jersey requires firearm purchasers to both obtain a permit to purchase a firearm and, if the purchase is from an unlicensed seller, conduct the transaction through a federally-licensed firearms dealer.40 Four more states (Iowa, Michigan, Nebraska, and North Carolina) have this permit and background check requirement for the purchase of handguns, but not long guns. Illinois also requires a point of sale background check whenever a firearm is sold at a gun show.
State Laws Closing the Private Sale Loophole
Background Checks at the Point of Transfer

The most comprehensive approach to ensuring that guns are not sold to prohibited people is through a requirement for a background check at the point of transfer of any firearm. Processing transfers by private sellers through licensed dealers or a law enforcement agency helps to ensure that a background check will be conducted prior to any transfer.
States that Require a Background Check at the Point of Transfer

California41
Colorado42
Connecticut43
Delaware44
District of Columbia45
Maryland (handguns and assault weapons only)46
Nevada (law not currently enforced)47
New Jersey48
New York49
Oregon50
Pennsylvania (handguns only)51
Rhode Island52
Vermont53
Washington54

California, Colorado, Delaware, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Vermont, and Washington generally require all firearm transfers to be conducted by or processed through licensed dealers, who conduct background checks on prospective firearm purchasers or recipients. In the District of Columbia, firearms may be sold and transferred only by or to a licensed dealer.

Rhode Island requires all sellers to obtain a completed application form from the prospective purchaser and to submit the form to law enforcement for purposes of conducting a background check. Connecticut requires any person transferring a firearm to either submit a form to law enforcement or conduct the transfer through a licensed dealer, so that a background check is conducted for every sale or transfer.

Maryland and Pennsylvania require a background check for every prospective handgun sale or transfer, and provide that the background check may be conducted either by a licensed dealer or a designated law enforcement agency.
State Permit Requirements for Private Purchasers

Eight states implement firearm background check requirements on private sales primarily by prohibiting private sellers from transferring firearms to purchasers who do not have a requisite state license or permit, and by requiring a background check before issuing the license or permit.
States that Require Permits for Private Purchasers after Background Checks55

Hawaii56
Illinois57
Iowa (handguns only)58
Massachusetts59
Michigan (handguns only)60
Nebraska (handguns only)61
New Jersey62
North Carolina (handguns only)63

Hawaii, Illinois, Massachusetts, and New Jersey require a person to obtain a license or permit before purchasing any firearm from any seller, and require applicants to pass a background check in order to obtain that license or permit. Iowa, Michigan, Nebraska, and North Carolina require a person to pass a background check in order to obtain a license or permit for the purchase of a handgun but not long guns like rifles or shotguns. State licensing requirements are discussed in detail in our policy page on Licensing. While these requirements ensure that a background check has been conducted at some point, a person may fall within a prohibited category after the license or permit is issued but before the time the person attempts to purchase a firearm. As a result, licensing laws do not necessarily prevent prohibited people from accessing firearms as effectively as point-of-transfer background checks.
Gun Show Background Checks

Illinois64 requires a background check before the sale or transfer of a firearm at a gun show. Additionally, though Oregon generally requires background checks to be conducted by a licensed dealer at the point of transfer for all firearms, Oregon law also allows a transferor at a gun show who is not a licensed dealer to contact the Department of State Police directly to conduct the background check.65 For more information about the regulation of gun shows, see our summary on Gun Shows.

In 2016, Virginia enacted a law requiring the state police to be available at gun shows in order to facilitate voluntary background checks requested by either party to a transaction if the seller is unlicensed.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
this is why you're considered an idiot by most of the fucking planet. the whole constitution was based upon the idea of inalienable rights. now, if you REALLY need to go by the exact wording of the constitution alone, the feds have no power to make gun laws, but you can't have that, can you you little bitch? and vehicles are NOT necessary because you have no right to drive, remember that fuckwad?
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Sure as shit not, you stupid fucking idiot. There are limitations on every right listed in the BofR. Every fucking one of them. Therefore, not inalianable.,

For you to claim otherwise demonstrates your complete ignorance. As you always do.

“Vehicles cannot be necessary” :rofl2:
 
domer76 said:
Sure as shit not, you stupid fucking idiot. There are limitations on every right listed in the BofR. Every fucking one of them. Therefore, not inalianable.,

For you to claim otherwise demonstrates your complete ignorance. As you always do.

“Vehicles cannot be necessary” :rofl2:
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your simpleton acceptance of the federal government being better and smarter than you automatically removes you from any pool of intelligence to discuss it, and it still makes you plain wrong. that you allow the government to limit your rights makes you a braindead slave to the state.
 
Sailor said:
Seeing as how you are to ashamed at getting your ass handed to you with your own stupidity, I will post what you are afraid to from that link. It certainly proves your "only six states" comment completely wrong. No surprise there though.


Summary of Federal Law

Federal law imposes various duties on federally licensed firearms dealers. Firearms dealers must, among other things:

Perform background checks on prospective firearm purchasers.
Maintain records of all gun sales.
Make those records available to law enforcement for inspection.
Report certain multiple sales.
Report the theft or loss of a firearm from the licensee’s inventory.33 Federal law imposes none of these requirements on unlicensed sellers, however.

The Gun Control Act of 1968 provides that persons “engaged in the business” of dealing in firearms must be licensed.34 Although Congress did not originally define the term “engaged in the business,” it did so in 1986 as part of the McClure-Volkmer Act (also known as the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act). That act defined the term “engaged in the business,” as applied to a firearms dealer, as “a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms.”35

Significantly, however, the term was defined to exclude a person who “makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms.”36 According to a 1999 report issued by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the current definition of “engaged in the business” often frustrates the prosecution of “unlicensed dealers masquerading as collectors or hobbyists but who are really trafficking firearms to felons or other prohibited persons.”37
Summary of State Law

Twenty states and Washington DC have extended the background check requirement beyond federal law to at least some private sales.

Eleven states (California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington) and the District of Columbia require universal background checks at the point of sale for all sales and transfers of all classes of firearms, whether they are purchased from a licensed dealer or an unlicensed seller.38 (Note, however, that Nevada’s background check law, enacted through a voter ballot initiative in 2016, has not yet been implemented).39

Two more states, Maryland and Pennsylvania, require point of sale background checks for handguns but not for long guns, like rifles and shotguns.

Instead of a point of sale background check, three states (Hawaii, Illinois, and Massachusetts) require all firearm purchasers to obtain a permit, issued after a background check, in order to buy any firearm. New Jersey requires firearm purchasers to both obtain a permit to purchase a firearm and, if the purchase is from an unlicensed seller, conduct the transaction through a federally-licensed firearms dealer.40 Four more states (Iowa, Michigan, Nebraska, and North Carolina) have this permit and background check requirement for the purchase of handguns, but not long guns. Illinois also requires a point of sale background check whenever a firearm is sold at a gun show.
State Laws Closing the Private Sale Loophole
Background Checks at the Point of Transfer

The most comprehensive approach to ensuring that guns are not sold to prohibited people is through a requirement for a background check at the point of transfer of any firearm. Processing transfers by private sellers through licensed dealers or a law enforcement agency helps to ensure that a background check will be conducted prior to any transfer.
States that Require a Background Check at the Point of Transfer

California41
Colorado42
Connecticut43
Delaware44
District of Columbia45
Maryland (handguns and assault weapons only)46
Nevada (law not currently enforced)47
New Jersey48
New York49
Oregon50
Pennsylvania (handguns only)51
Rhode Island52
Vermont53
Washington54

California, Colorado, Delaware, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Vermont, and Washington generally require all firearm transfers to be conducted by or processed through licensed dealers, who conduct background checks on prospective firearm purchasers or recipients. In the District of Columbia, firearms may be sold and transferred only by or to a licensed dealer.

Rhode Island requires all sellers to obtain a completed application form from the prospective purchaser and to submit the form to law enforcement for purposes of conducting a background check. Connecticut requires any person transferring a firearm to either submit a form to law enforcement or conduct the transfer through a licensed dealer, so that a background check is conducted for every sale or transfer.

Maryland and Pennsylvania require a background check for every prospective handgun sale or transfer, and provide that the background check may be conducted either by a licensed dealer or a designated law enforcement agency.
State Permit Requirements for Private Purchasers

Eight states implement firearm background check requirements on private sales primarily by prohibiting private sellers from transferring firearms to purchasers who do not have a requisite state license or permit, and by requiring a background check before issuing the license or permit.
States that Require Permits for Private Purchasers after Background Checks55

Hawaii56
Illinois57
Iowa (handguns only)58
Massachusetts59
Michigan (handguns only)60
Nebraska (handguns only)61
New Jersey62
North Carolina (handguns only)63

Hawaii, Illinois, Massachusetts, and New Jersey require a person to obtain a license or permit before purchasing any firearm from any seller, and require applicants to pass a background check in order to obtain that license or permit. Iowa, Michigan, Nebraska, and North Carolina require a person to pass a background check in order to obtain a license or permit for the purchase of a handgun but not long guns like rifles or shotguns. State licensing requirements are discussed in detail in our policy page on Licensing. While these requirements ensure that a background check has been conducted at some point, a person may fall within a prohibited category after the license or permit is issued but before the time the person attempts to purchase a firearm. As a result, licensing laws do not necessarily prevent prohibited people from accessing firearms as effectively as point-of-transfer background checks.
Gun Show Background Checks

Illinois64 requires a background check before the sale or transfer of a firearm at a gun show. Additionally, though Oregon generally requires background checks to be conducted by a licensed dealer at the point of transfer for all firearms, Oregon law also allows a transferor at a gun show who is not a licensed dealer to contact the Department of State Police directly to conduct the background check.65 For more information about the regulation of gun shows, see our summary on Gun Shows.

In 2016, Virginia enacted a law requiring the state police to be available at gun shows in order to facilitate voluntary background checks requested by either party to a transaction if the seller is unlicensed.
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Hey dumb fuck, TY for proving once again how low IQ freaks can even speak out of their asses. Did your wee little mind purposely ignore this part, or is it just your genetic defect showing up:

a dangerous and deadly loophole in federal gun laws

Now dumb fuck, what is the "loophole" they are speaking of?

"Federal law imposes various duties on federally licensed firearms dealers.

Wait a minute. Federal Law does not apply to private sales? Well, some fucking idiots seem to think it does. What has happened, and it seems 5 States have joined the 6 I listed, is that 11 States have now adopted the universal background check:

"Eleven states (California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington) and the District of Columbia require universal background"

But since you did nto even read what you posted, much less the entire article, you missed this:

"In 2016, Virginia enacted a law requiring the state police to be available at gun shows in order to facilitate voluntary background checks requested by either party to a transaction if the seller is unlicensed."

Keyword here, which is beyond your comprehension, is "VOLUNTARY", and only if one of the parties request such be done.

Keep it up stupid. I have nothing better to do on these cold mornings then to show how fucking idiots like you are still around.
 
RB 60 said:
You're too stupid to assimilate that, why subject you to reason?
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lol

The Amish live in a very small area. For you to think we can do without mass transport in this country demonstrates your massive stupidity. But, then again, you do that on a regular basis.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
this is why you're considered an idiot by most of the fucking planet. the whole constitution was based upon the idea of inalienable rights. now, if you REALLY need to go by the exact wording of the constitution alone, the feds have no power to make gun laws, but you can't have that, can you you little bitch? and vehicles are NOT necessary because you have no right to drive, remember that fuckwad?
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You do have a right to travel, and the right to movement, as expressed in Article 4 of the Constitution. And while the Courts have left the determination of how that right may be exercised, there is an implied right to drive. People of your ilk love to argue a right to own most any gun you wish, yet you do not want to extend that same right to other issues.
 
domer76 said:
:lolup::rofl2:

Says the idiot who claims “vehicles cannot be necessary” in a modern society
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domer76 said:
lol

The Amish live in a very small area. For you to think we can do without mass transport in this country demonstrates your massive stupidity. But, then again, you do that on a regular basis.
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You sure moved the goalposts with that one, from society to a very small area.
Fact: Amish live in modern society without vehicles or mass transit.
You are a stupid dickhead.
 
Old Trapper said:
You do have a right to travel, and the right to movement, as expressed in Article 4 of the Constitution. And while the Courts have left the determination of how that right may be exercised, there is an implied right to drive. People of your ilk love to argue a right to own most any gun you wish, yet you do not want to extend that same right to other issues.
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you are barking up the wrong tree, my friend. I make anarchists look like conservatives. I believe in limiting the government(s) to exactly what their powers are written to in the constitution. I look at the so called 'implied' right to drive as 'what would the founders think?' My position is that they would absolutely laugh in the governments face for even thinking they could require a license to drive a horse drawn vehicle, much less any other vehicle.
 
RB 60 said:
You sure moved the goalposts with that one, from society to a very small area.
Fact: Amish live in modern society without vehicles or mass transit.
You are a stupid dickhead.
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You stupid fuck. The Amish can’t move freight across the country to save their lives.

You are laughably one of the dumbest fucks on this forum
 
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