HUGE!! Trump to end birthright citizenship!!!

[Into the Night]

Not according to the Supreme Court. Your interpretation is the minority view. See federal law I posted above explaining who is included in those not subject to U. S. jurisdiction--it only applies to foreign diplomatic personnel.

Even if we don't consider the 14th Congress has constitutional authority to make naturalization policy and it designate citizenship for those born here except diplomats.

"White hating racist"? You are the only one who brought up race--I never mentioned it. You and a few others make everything racial.

The Supreme Court does not have authority to change the Constitution of the United States.

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

The Supreme Court does not have authority to change or interpret the Constitution. See Article III of the Constitution of the United States.

Yup - if you want to amend the constitution then go thru the amending process. But nowadays the SC amends the constitution all the time and the press calls it an interpretation!!

 

[Into the Night]

So the 14th Amendment of the Constitution violates federal law by encouraging illegals? I wonder which one has priority?

False dichotomy. There is no conflict here.

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

If someone born under American Jurisdiction can be barred from Citizenship...

Clearly we can limit access to AR-15's via executive order.

Someone born to an illegal alien is NOT under the political jurisdiction of america. They inherit the nationality of the mother. THINK

 

[Into the Night]

Which makes it useless in curbing the powers of government considering the legislative branch of Parliament is the "supreme and final source of law" all it takes to change the uncodified constitution is a simple vote of Parliament.

Correct. Which makes the UK neither a democracy nor a republic. It is an oligarchy. It has no constitution.

 

[Into the Night]

Show us where the Constitution says citizenship for those born here must have parents who are here legally. If it is "clear" it must be written clearly in the amendment.

It is written clearly. You just don't know what 'jurisdiction' means.

 

[Jarod]

Someone born to an illegal alien is NOT under the political jurisdiction of america. They inherit the nationality of the mother. THINK

Nationality and jurisdiction are two different things, and if they are born here and are under our jurisdiction, they are Americans.

 

[Wolverine]

I am just sayin, there is more argument about the language in the second amendment than the 13th.

Yeah, and we are talking about the 14th, anything after the 10th was simply confirming what they wrote in 1 through 10 there is no debate about shall not be infringed upon, the 14th was about former slaves as citizens!

 

[Into the Night]

The SC would not be ruling on the amendment. They would be ruling on the president's power to change the Constitution by executive order.

They already ruled on this issue in U. S. vs. Wong Kim Ark

Trump is not changing the Constitution. The Supreme Court does not have authority to change the Constitution.

 

[Wolverine]

Nationality and jurisdiction are two different things, and if they are born here and are under our jurisdiction, they are Americans.

Negative, as the parent is not a naturalized citizen, try again it was they broke the law the only thing they should get is deported.

 

[Jarod]

Yeah, and we are talking about the 14th, anything after the 10th was simply confirming what they wrote in 1 through 10 there is no debate about shall not be infringed upon, the 14th was about former slaves as citizens!

That was what caused them to write the 14th, but they intentionally wrote it so that it was not specific to slaves. They wrote it to apply to all those born here and under our jurisdiction.

I could argue that the 2nd was written to apply only to Muskets and single manually loaded rifles.

 

[Jarod]

Negative, as the parent is not a naturalized citizen, try again it was they broke the law the only thing they should get is deported.

Where does the 14th say the parent has to be a Naturalized Citizen? All they have do be is under American jurisdiction. And clearly they are.

If they were not under American Jurisdiction how did Trump separate immigrant families, for example?>

 

[Into the Night]

It really depends on how he words it and what they decide. I still believe that this is a ploy to get a ruling on the Amendment itself. You'll notice that this did not grant citizenship to the Native Americans... Which, again, were granted citizenship by act of Congress in 1924... The ruling on jurisdiction is necessary. Personally I think it would go against Trump.

The 1924 act gave some American Indian nations and tribes citizenship. Some were not. Treaties are what actually gave these nations and tribes citizenship.

The Supreme Court is not authorized to change the Constitution of the United States.

 

[Getin the ring]

If they were not under American Jurisdiction how did Trump separate immigrant families, for example?>

same way he would separate you from your children if they were with you in the commission of a crime

you can't be that stupid, can you Jarod

Trump is not changing the Constitution. The Supreme Court does not have authority to change the Constitution.

they can interpret it's meaning and intent

OMG I'm talking to morons

 

[Into the Night]

Stare decisis?? Where have you been?. The Supreme Court voided that principle in bush v gore 2000.

No, it didn't. The Court ruled that Florida effectively abstained from the vote, which it did. Unable to talley a vote of the people to choose the electors, and with a legislature unwilling to choose the electors, Floridan effectively abstained.

 

[Into the Night]

The final sentence of 14A is "the congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article." So congress can simply ban birthright citizenship and if the courts say no, there will be trouble.

If the courts say no, they have no authority. No court has the authority to change the Constitution of the United States.

 

[Jarod]

If the courts say no, they have no authority.

Idiotic, you know not what you are talking about.

You are grasping at straws.

 

[Jarod]

same way he would separate you from your children if they were with you in the commission of a crime

you can't be that stupid, can you Jarod



they can interpret it's meaning and intent

OMG I'm talking to morons

Right, using Jurisdiction of the United States.

 

[Into the Night]

Would you document exactly where are how Obama tried to change the constitution?

Already done. Pay attention.

 

[Into the Night]

Where does it say that health care is a state matter?

It is not a a federal matter. Nothing in the Constitution authorizes the federal government to nationalize health care insurance. That makes it a State matter.
See the 9th and 10th amendments and Article I.