U.K.'s Healthcare Horror Stories Ought To Curb Dems' Enthusiasm for Single-Payer

Actually, Medicare for All is a half-assed improvement, albeit better than nothing.

We need REAL SOCIALIZED MEDICINE like the UK's National Health Service.

This country has been sliding closer and closer to third world status due to too many half-assed concessions to the troglodytes.

Translation; we need real failure not just quasi failure. :laugh:
 
I agree. But like was mentioned earlier, Republicans would just 'starve' it. There needs to be a national commitment.

"A Healthy Country is a Strong Country", you know, something that the knuckle-draggers could latch on to.

How is one "healthy" under a poorly managed, lack of funds Government model? How is it healthier waiting longer and not having sufficient resources or specialists?
 
ruh roh lol

U.S. Senate panel investigates former Trump aide Bannon: sources

Source: Reuters




OCTOBER 31, 2018 / 3:55 PM / UPDATED AN HOUR AGO


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee is pursuing a wide-ranging investigation into former White House adviser Steve Bannon’s activities during the 2016 presidential campaign, three sources familiar with the inquiry told Reuters.

The committee is looking into what Bannon might know about any contacts during the campaign between Moscow and two advisers to the campaign, George Papadopoulos and Carter Page, they said.

Papadopoulos, a consultant, initially advised the presidential campaign of Republican hopeful Ben Carson before joining the Trump campaign. Page is also a consultant, who had business contacts in Russia.

On Sept. 7, Papadopoulos was sentenced to 14 days in prison. He had pleaded guilty last year to lying to FBI agents about the timing and significance of his contacts with Russians, including a professor who told him the Russians had “dirt” on Trump’s Democratic presidential rival, Hillary Clinton.
 
U.S. Senate panel investigates former Trump aide Bannon: sources

Source: Reuters




OCTOBER 31, 2018 / 3:55 PM / UPDATED AN HOUR AGO


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee is pursuing a wide-ranging investigation into former White House adviser Steve Bannon’s activities during the 2016 presidential campaign, three sources familiar with the inquiry told Reuters.

The committee is looking into what Bannon might know about any contacts during the campaign between Moscow and two advisers to the campaign, George Papadopoulos and Carter Page, they said.

Papadopoulos, a consultant, initially advised the presidential campaign of Republican hopeful Ben Carson before joining the Trump campaign. Page is also a consultant, who had business contacts in Russia.

On Sept. 7, Papadopoulos was sentenced to 14 days in prison. He had pleaded guilty last year to lying to FBI agents about the timing and significance of his contacts with Russians, including a professor who told him the Russians had “dirt” on Trump’s Democratic presidential rival, Hillary Clinton.

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Sure, I'm sure there are supplements and stuff. I think it's a good overall system though and I'd go for it in a second. These tactics do not scare me at all.

I am a great believer in the NHS, I had a ultrasound scan recently because of a pain in my abdomen. Had blood tests on my liver, all came back ok. My one great beef is they are quite wasteful, too many health authorities order stuff like rubber gloves when the NHS itself should be ordering centrally to take advantage of their huge buying power.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/08/nhs-spends-16-rubber-gloves-can-bought-35-pence/
 
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The United Kingdom's National Health Service, which celebrated its 70th anniversary on July 5, is imploding.
Vacancies for doctor and nurse positions have reached all-time highs. Patients are facing interminable waits for care as a result. This August, a record number of Britons languished more than 12 hours in emergency rooms. In July, the share of cancer patients who waited more than two months to receive treatment soared.
Yet enthusiasm for government-run, single-payer health care continues to build in the United States. The latest Reuters/Ipsos poll shows that 70 percent of Americans now support Medicare for All. Virtually all the major candidates for the Democratic nomination for president in 2020 have come out in favor of banning private insurance coverage and implementing a single-payer system instead.
One look across the Atlantic, to the disaster unfolding in the United Kingdom's government-run healthcare system, ought to curb that enthusiasm.
The NHS has struggled to fully staff its hospitals and clinics since its inception in 1948. But today, the shortages are growing worse. Nine percent of physician posts are vacant. That's a shortfall of nearly 11,500 doctors.


The NHS is also short 42,000 nurses. In the second quarter alone, nurse vacancies increased by 17 percent. Meanwhile, in the United States, nearly all states will have a surplus of nurses by 2030.
It's unsurprising that people don't want to work as nurses in Great Britain; it's a stressful job, with long hours and terrible working conditions. Some NHS nurses are taking positions at supermarkets because stacking shelves comes with better hours, benefits, and pay, according to a report in the London Economic.

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So you are British?
 
So what JackOff.

You were spewing yourself as some kind of World Traveler, when in fact all you did was take a Ship Cruise, got off for a few hours, did some touristy stuff, then followed the herd back on the ship.
So ... in the Future, DON'T try to impress anybody with your 'Travellog'.

TD: "Tuesday we were in Rome and we had Pizza, Wednesday we were in France and had French Fries, Thursday we were in England and we ate English muffins, ... "
I think we all got the picture here. It's nice to go to foreign countries, glad your parents drug you around Europe with them, glad you took some Cruise Ship to the Caribbean, I guess crossing the Border into Mexico and Canada 'counts'.
 
You were spewing yourself as some kind of World Traveler, when in fact all you did was take a Ship Cruise, got off for a few hours, did some touristy stuff, then followed the herd back on the ship.
So ... in the Future, DON'T try to impress anybody with your 'Travellog'.

TD: "Tuesday we were in Rome and we had Pizza, Wednesday we were in France and had French Fries, Thursday we were in England and we ate English muffins, ... "
I think we all got the picture here. It's nice to go to foreign countries, glad your parents drug you around Europe with them, glad you took some Cruise Ship to the Caribbean, I guess crossing the Border into Mexico and Canada 'counts'.

Jack; you don't have to be a moron every damn day. You think asking about coins is a sign of worldliness while being an uneducated loser on a blog? STFU, seriously.
 
Jack; you don't have to be a moron every damn day. You think asking about coins is a sign of worldliness while being an uneducated loser on a blog? STFU, seriously.

I was just trying to help. You sound like a Big Blowhard that is trying to pump himself up with a few lame tourist trips but in reality has never really gone anywhere or done anything. I'm really starting to second guess myself here and am beginning to think you aren't appreciating me helping you like this.
 
The United Kingdom's National Health Service, which celebrated its 70th anniversary on July 5, is imploding.

This evening angry hordes of socialists in disguises will invade the streets and neighborhoods across the homeland to demand handouts.
 
Actually, Medicare for All is a half-assed improvement, albeit better than nothing.

We need REAL SOCIALIZED MEDICINE like the UK's National Health Service.

This country has been sliding closer and closer to third world status due to too many half-assed concessions to the troglodytes.

And when do you declare that the "slide" to 3rd world status began? ... with the passing of Obamacare?
 
U.K.'s Healthcare Horror Stories Ought To Curb Dems' Enthusiasm for Single-Payer
The rational criterion for selection would seem to be:
- the best healthcare outcomes: meaning longest life expectancy, longest useful life (not just an extra 3 years in the geriatric ward), etc.
- at lowest per capita cost.

If these are not the criteria being used both by our public policy makers, and by the posting contributors to this thread, then it would appear they're substituting a political agenda for pragmatic logic, and fiscal responsibility.

Seems to me the lives of my countrymen, and the debt we pass on to our grandchildren are more important than a selfish political agenda.
 
I lived there ongoing until I was in my 20's snowflake.

Sure you did.

There is NOTHING to envy you brain dead buffoon.

How about longer life expectancies? Lower infant mortality rates? Lower childhood mortality rates? Lower maternal mortality rates? Lower obesity rates? Lower rates of infectious diseases? Lower rates of crimes associated with untreated mental illness? Lower suicide rates? Lower per capita healthcare spending? Lower rates of medical bankruptcy?

Do you think those things are not to be envied? Is it better to spend more on healthcare, live sicker lives, and die younger? If that's what you think, then we have a fundamentally different understanding of life.

Germans pay more for EVERYTHING

How much do they spend, per capita, on healthcare? How about us?

They have miserable dental

What makes you think that?

EVERYTHING costs more there

I understand that as a person who has never actually been to Germany, you're stuck just parroting lines from Fox News. However, it's not actually true. Health care services and drugs (among other things) cost less in Germany. Facts matter. Learn some:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/05/why-medicine-is-cheaper-in-germany/371418/

Their healthcare system is currently bankrupting a country

In what sense? Keep in mind that gross government debt in Germany is about 64.137% of GDP, according to the IMF:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt

By comparison, in the US, it's about 107.785%.

So, which one is going bankrupt?

While I was down here I had a high school friend visit who was basically wheel chair bound waiting for her hip replacement. She finally got it about a year later.

Your imaginary friend would have been in a far better position than an American counterpart. As a Canadian citizen, if you don't want to wait, you have the same option every American has to pay out of pocket for something faster. By comparison, American citizens don't have the option the Canadians have of waiting and getting something affordable. If an American can't afford to pay out-of-pocket for a hip replacement (and isn't covered by socialized medicine by way of a military background over being 65 or older), that may mean being stuck in a wheel chair indefinitely.

Gotta love that Nationalized system eh snowflake? STFU

Hahahaheheehaa! You just can't help yourself. Time and again, when you ask a question, your cowardice just takes over and you can't help but try to hide from an answer by telling the other person to shut up. Do you see why everyone thinks you're a joke?

How much innovation and ingenuity comes from Government controlled systems?

Often quite a bit, as you know. It was, for example, government-controlled systems that split the atom, put men on the moon, built the interstate highways, and created the foundation of the Internet. At this very moment, we're using HTML, which came from innovations pioneered at the European Organization for Nuclear Research -- a system controlled by 22 governments.

Did you honestly not know those things, or was this just feigned ignorance?

Here's the list so far; Canada (4 Provinces) Germany, Holland, England, France, Spain, Denmark, Switzerland, Austria, Italy, Greece (parents lived there for a while), Thailand, Cambodia, Mexico, Barbados, Antigua, Grenada, Aruba, Curacao, Saint Marten, Martinique, British Virgin Islands, US Virgin Islands, Bahamas, Most of French Polynesia including Bora Bora, Huahine, Moorea, Raiatea and Tahiti.

Now tell us the places you've actually been, because you've got to know everyone on this forum knows better.
 
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