Adolf_Twitler
Verified User
Looks like just another tantrum by the man child!
WaPo OpEd: Trump’s battle to destroy the Mueller investigation is officially doomed
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evince
Truthmatters
and Jr because he replied he loved it
Nomad
Every trumper is a N4T.
Is that your propagandist spin or are you honestly naive enough to confuse Trump's grovelling and sucking up to Putin as some kind of attempt at legitimate diplomacy?
What a rube.
Mr.Badguy
Super lefty
I had to watch as my president went on international TV and called the United States foolish for investigating to what extent the government run by the guy next to him interfered in our election process.
FUCK TRUMP
Fentoine Lum
Verified User
And they howl about Obama being an apologist.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Nomad,
I totally agree. What a well written piece. Thanks for posting it.
That sounds like the wheels of justice turning, ever, so, slowly, but, constantly, and, relentlessly,,, turning.
It's a shame to see our great nation marred by this kind of scandal from the top down.
First Nixon. Now Trump. The famous question. What did the President know, and when did he know it?
And does he think everybody buys that line about how he personally answered all of Mueller's questions? No lawyers? Seriously? (lmao)
Is this the end of the Republican party?
Is that what we are witnessing?
There's a foul stink in the air.
I wonder if the market will drop, and if so how much, when it all goes down.
Ya know; so much of this speculative market is intangible confidence in a certain type of leadership...
One must admit though, it's been endlessly entertaining to watch the buffoon slowly and publicly implode.
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Trump’s battle to destroy the Mueller investigation is officially doomed
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...e-mueller-investigation-is-officially-doomed/
By Paul Waldman
Opinion writer
November 16 at 2:26 PM
President Trump’s long struggle to destroy Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation into the Russia scandal is officially over.
The president himself might not quite realize it yet, and he probably doesn’t understand why it happened. But he has lost that conflict, and the reason is simple: His attempts to fight Mueller were so ham-handed and so public that it made it impossible for him and his administration to shut Mueller down.
The president is simply incapable of subtlety and judges everything by how it plays out in the media. But in this case, the more attention he drew to his rage at Mueller, the greater the consequences of moving against Mueller became. And now it’s too late.
Look, for example, at the way he handled Attorney General Jeff Sessions. It was precisely because Trump complained publicly so many times that he was livid with Sessions for recusing himself from the Russia probe — which made it clear that he wanted Sessions to oversee it so Sessions could shut it down — that it became impossible to fire Sessions before the midterm elections. Those public statements created a situation where firing Sessions would create a backlash from Republican senators and a huge media scandal, since Trump himself had all but said it would be for the purpose of obstructing justice.
It was July 2017, sixteen months ago, when Trump told the New York Times that if he had known Sessions would recuse himself from the Russia investigation he never never would have hired him. But it was that very statement that made it so much harder to do what what he wanted and fire Sessions. So months passed while Mueller was diligently working away — amassing evidence, turning witnesses and handing down indictments — and Trump could fire Sessions only after the midterms were over.
Then when he finally did it, Trump once again acted without any subtlety or understanding of how his moves would be interpreted publicly, installing Matthew Whitaker as acting attorney general likely in no small part because of Whitaker’s apparent hostility to the Mueller investigation. But Whitaker became so controversial so quickly that it’s now impossible for him to fulfill Trump’s wishes without, once again, causing a huge media scandal. Whitaker now seems to feel that his hands are tied on this matter; the AP reports that “Whitaker told Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham in a meeting on Thursday that special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation will proceed.”
And now, Republicans in the Senate are pushing the administration to find a new attorney general who can be confirmed quickly — which means someone who will pledge in their confirmation hearings not to interfere in the Mueller investigation:
Even after Trump’s latest attack on Mueller in a flurry of tweets Thursday, most Republicans argue the president will not fire Mueller or derail his investigation because the political consequences would be too great.
But they said that naming an attorney general nominee as soon as possible — specifically one who would vow to preserve the Russia probe — would go a long way in halting legislative momentum to protect Mueller and Democratic messaging that acting attorney general Matt Whitaker will undermine the investigation.
“If we had some confidence that there is somebody nominated that would be confirmed in a reasonable period of time, to me it seems like it would relieve a lot of the controversy,” said Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn of Texas, who predicted that Whitaker, who was openly critical of the Mueller probe before Trump tapped him for the job, is “not going to be there long.”
Meanwhile, all indications are that after a long period of silence during the close of the midterm campaign, Mueller is about to do something big, or a series of somethings. Trump’s former factotum Michael Cohen was spotted Monday coming to Washington with one of his criminal defense lawyers. Paul Manafort has held multiple meetings in recent weeks with Mueller’s team. On Wednesday, Mueller asked the court to delay sentencing for former Trump aide Rick Gates, saying Gates “continues to cooperate with respect to several ongoing investigations.” Trump’s orbit is reportedly gripped by anxiety about what’s coming.
When Trump lashes out on Twitter in increasingly hysterical terms as he did Thursday, it might (as many have speculated) suggest that he knows something bad is coming his way. But his anger comes from impotence. If he knew he was about to get his way with Mueller, he wouldn’t be shouting about it on Twitter. It’s the fact that he can’t do anything about it that fills him with rage.
We don’t know how many more Trump aides will wind up serving time behind bars, what Mueller’s final conclusions will be or how much the president himself will be implicated in the scandal. What we do know is that Trump wanted to stop the investigation, and not only has he failed, he has made everything worse for himself.
I totally agree. What a well written piece. Thanks for posting it.
That sounds like the wheels of justice turning, ever, so, slowly, but, constantly, and, relentlessly,,, turning.
It's a shame to see our great nation marred by this kind of scandal from the top down.
First Nixon. Now Trump. The famous question. What did the President know, and when did he know it?
And does he think everybody buys that line about how he personally answered all of Mueller's questions? No lawyers? Seriously? (lmao)
Is this the end of the Republican party?
Is that what we are witnessing?
There's a foul stink in the air.
I wonder if the market will drop, and if so how much, when it all goes down.
Ya know; so much of this speculative market is intangible confidence in a certain type of leadership...
Callinectes
Proud MAGA Semi-Facist
That's ridiculous. If anything, we saw it as anti-presidential, and that goes for everything he does. I kept hearing this drivel throughout the campaign and I thought, they want me to see him as "non presidential" but they want me to perceive HILLARY as "presidential"? Politicians who look "presidential" these days tend to look like pompous idiots to me
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Nordberg,
I know, right?
That was the hardest one to figure. Even before the election, when I was talking to people I knew to be conservative, I was appalled that they were in support of Trump despite his moral misgivings. There was a very strong #NeverTrump movement before the election. People I would have expected to be in that group caved, one by one. Many ended up being supporters. It was shameful, watching them swallow their values.
Hillary did that. If only she didn't have so much baggage, she could have done a good job. She just has too much baggage. Surely Dems KNOW they can't run her again. They need fresh blood. Somebody with charisma and without baggage. Somebody irresistibly appealing, infectious character, and squeaky clean. Nothing heavy to criticize. I would just like to see that person come forward soon.
I know, right?
That was the hardest one to figure. Even before the election, when I was talking to people I knew to be conservative, I was appalled that they were in support of Trump despite his moral misgivings. There was a very strong #NeverTrump movement before the election. People I would have expected to be in that group caved, one by one. Many ended up being supporters. It was shameful, watching them swallow their values.
Hillary did that. If only she didn't have so much baggage, she could have done a good job. She just has too much baggage. Surely Dems KNOW they can't run her again. They need fresh blood. Somebody with charisma and without baggage. Somebody irresistibly appealing, infectious character, and squeaky clean. Nothing heavy to criticize. I would just like to see that person come forward soon.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello anatta,
How would you take it if Mueller got Trump fired?
Would you deny it?
Call it fake news?
Me? I'd be saddened either way. Even if Trump is clean, to see him remain in office is bad for the nation, to have our leader thrown out is bad for the nation, it's just a stinkaroo either way. I don't know what's going to happen, so I don't pretend to. But a lot of you die hard Trump supporters remain convinced all is well, and this is all some kind of Democrat plan to make Trump look bad. I don't know why, because Mueller was a good choice for this. He was highly regarded by BOTH SIDES when he was appointed to the position. And there wouldn't even have been a Mueller investigation if Trump hadn't fired Comey in the first place - for doing his job and refusing to pledge allegiance to Trump.
So I just have to wonder how you guys are going to take it if it turns out Trump is dirty.
I'm guessing it is going to be 'ton-of-bricks' time for some; if that happens.
And it seems to be inching ever closer to it all the time.
I am *so* ready to see the end of this chapter.
Not sure if the anti-Mueller people are.
How would you take it if Mueller got Trump fired?
Would you deny it?
Call it fake news?
Me? I'd be saddened either way. Even if Trump is clean, to see him remain in office is bad for the nation, to have our leader thrown out is bad for the nation, it's just a stinkaroo either way. I don't know what's going to happen, so I don't pretend to. But a lot of you die hard Trump supporters remain convinced all is well, and this is all some kind of Democrat plan to make Trump look bad. I don't know why, because Mueller was a good choice for this. He was highly regarded by BOTH SIDES when he was appointed to the position. And there wouldn't even have been a Mueller investigation if Trump hadn't fired Comey in the first place - for doing his job and refusing to pledge allegiance to Trump.
So I just have to wonder how you guys are going to take it if it turns out Trump is dirty.
I'm guessing it is going to be 'ton-of-bricks' time for some; if that happens.
And it seems to be inching ever closer to it all the time.
I am *so* ready to see the end of this chapter.
Not sure if the anti-Mueller people are.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez,
And sometimes if an apple looks bad on the outside it is best not to bite on it.
And sometimes if an apple looks bad on the outside it is best not to bite on it.
Callinectes
Proud MAGA Semi-Facist
Okay, I see where you're coming from. Did you take a bite out of hillary, or bernie? Or would you rather I had looked at all the candidates in 2016, be disheartened because none of them looked "presidential" enough, and then stay home and let demorats have all the say? Not gonna happen. I held my nose and voted for McCain in '08 because I thought he would at least fight a LITTLE against the dem agenda, and obama was looking very "presidential" back then(or as I like to put it, he was looking a lot like Mussolini)
I'd be king if dogs had wings. I'd have a better chance of that then Mueller finding any Russian collusion.
No worries though -your guy Schiff promises to carry on the stupidity with him investigating
"Russian money laundering" even way back before Trump became POTUS.
"show me the man and i'll show you the crime"
Fentoine Lum
Verified User
Yeah, there's so much daylight between Don and Mussolini.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez,
Bernie. Good old honest Bernie, who didn't mince words, wasn't afraid to come right out and say he was a Democratic Socialist. Free college? Yeah. I want to pay for that with my taxes and everybody else's too. You get the grades, buddy, we'll pay the tuition. I'm all for that. That's a good win/win deal. They get an education, we get a better nation. We, as a nation, do need to be smarter. Because right now we seem pretty dumb. We're too dumb. We gotta be smarter. And it will pay us back in the long run because smart people are better with money. Dumb people waste money. Smart people are more likely to be well informed actively engaged members of the populace. Dumb people commit crimes, cost us all a lot of money for police, courts and prisons. Raise the IQ of the whole nation. Yes. Logically, that would result in a better nation. Yes, free college. I bet it would pay for itself in a better life for everybody. With less crime.
And government-run health care? Heck yeah. I want to pay for that with mine and everybody else's taxes too. Because I happen to believe we need a health care system where the focus is on curing people, healing people, and keeping people healthy. Capitalism wants to make it all about making money. I want big pharmaceutical organizations working on CURES, not REMEDIES. Don't you get it? If today's big for-profit pharma industry accidentally stumbled on a cure for something? They'd lock it away, destroy it, keep it a secret, bury it, make sure it NEVER came to market. Remedies are far more profitable, so remedies are what we get. When was the last time you ever heard of big pharma CURING ANYTHING??? lmao Did you know, about half the nation is on some kind of prescription drug? This is wealth extraction; and they are bleeding us DRY. And getting RICH. On OUR backs.
I would MUCH rather pay higher taxes and have NO HEALTH CARE PREMIUMS TO PAY EVER AGAIN.
Yeah, I want government-run health care; where the goal is making people well, not making people rich.
I don't want profits built into what I pay for health care. Providing health care should be about dedication to helping people. Not helping yourSELF (to their savings.) Provide the same service, but do it with none of the profit. Just do it for cost. With no profit. Only the government can do that. Private industry can't undertake anything with a plan to break even. They always want the bottom line. I am tired of being their bottom line.
But I can compromise. No problem. We'll get there in baby steps. Bernie's plan is a good next step.
Bernie's Medicare-For-All plan is a FAR better idea than the RipOff we are getting now. And we need bipartisan support to make it happen, because you have to fight a lot of really rich people to do it, and you'll be messing with their cash cow. The right needs to wake up and admit the health care industry is ripping us off. If we the people, the left AND the right, unite against them, it won't matter HOW much money they have, they won't have the votes. We will have the votes. All their money is no good if it can't buy the votes. We can do this. Nobody is going to tell you, so we have to spread the word. We can have the best health care, all paid for, and it will be built into our tax structure. Nobody will ever have to pay for health care out of pocket again. And it will cover everybody and cost less. That will make America REALLY great.
How you vote is up to you. I'm just telling ya what I support and why. Of course 2016 wasn't a good choice. It was one of the stinkiest, hold your nose elections I can ever remember. And that means stinky! I did hold my nose and vote for Hillary, and I imagine you held yours as you voted for Trump. Personally, I think it is a whole lot easier to overlook Hillary's faults than it is to give Trump a free pass. But then we'll never know what Hillary might have done if elected... (I was more than a bit concerned she might start a war.)
I was so reassured by reading this editorial, I can't tell you how much more trust it gave me in our government. To hear that ethical Republicans are really what is standing between Trump and his abuse of power just gives me some trust back that we do really have checks and balances on power. Trump exceeds his power, abuses the office. He needs to be reigned in. And he's making us look bad.
I hope Mueller comes up with some real doozies; and if it goes all the way to the top, then I want Trump removed from office. And everybody else that had anything to do with it. And if that ends up meaning President Pelosi, then so BE IT.
Bernie. Good old honest Bernie, who didn't mince words, wasn't afraid to come right out and say he was a Democratic Socialist. Free college? Yeah. I want to pay for that with my taxes and everybody else's too. You get the grades, buddy, we'll pay the tuition. I'm all for that. That's a good win/win deal. They get an education, we get a better nation. We, as a nation, do need to be smarter. Because right now we seem pretty dumb. We're too dumb. We gotta be smarter. And it will pay us back in the long run because smart people are better with money. Dumb people waste money. Smart people are more likely to be well informed actively engaged members of the populace. Dumb people commit crimes, cost us all a lot of money for police, courts and prisons. Raise the IQ of the whole nation. Yes. Logically, that would result in a better nation. Yes, free college. I bet it would pay for itself in a better life for everybody. With less crime.
And government-run health care? Heck yeah. I want to pay for that with mine and everybody else's taxes too. Because I happen to believe we need a health care system where the focus is on curing people, healing people, and keeping people healthy. Capitalism wants to make it all about making money. I want big pharmaceutical organizations working on CURES, not REMEDIES. Don't you get it? If today's big for-profit pharma industry accidentally stumbled on a cure for something? They'd lock it away, destroy it, keep it a secret, bury it, make sure it NEVER came to market. Remedies are far more profitable, so remedies are what we get. When was the last time you ever heard of big pharma CURING ANYTHING??? lmao Did you know, about half the nation is on some kind of prescription drug? This is wealth extraction; and they are bleeding us DRY. And getting RICH. On OUR backs.
I would MUCH rather pay higher taxes and have NO HEALTH CARE PREMIUMS TO PAY EVER AGAIN.
Yeah, I want government-run health care; where the goal is making people well, not making people rich.
I don't want profits built into what I pay for health care. Providing health care should be about dedication to helping people. Not helping yourSELF (to their savings.) Provide the same service, but do it with none of the profit. Just do it for cost. With no profit. Only the government can do that. Private industry can't undertake anything with a plan to break even. They always want the bottom line. I am tired of being their bottom line.
But I can compromise. No problem. We'll get there in baby steps. Bernie's plan is a good next step.
Bernie's Medicare-For-All plan is a FAR better idea than the RipOff we are getting now. And we need bipartisan support to make it happen, because you have to fight a lot of really rich people to do it, and you'll be messing with their cash cow. The right needs to wake up and admit the health care industry is ripping us off. If we the people, the left AND the right, unite against them, it won't matter HOW much money they have, they won't have the votes. We will have the votes. All their money is no good if it can't buy the votes. We can do this. Nobody is going to tell you, so we have to spread the word. We can have the best health care, all paid for, and it will be built into our tax structure. Nobody will ever have to pay for health care out of pocket again. And it will cover everybody and cost less. That will make America REALLY great.
How you vote is up to you. I'm just telling ya what I support and why. Of course 2016 wasn't a good choice. It was one of the stinkiest, hold your nose elections I can ever remember. And that means stinky! I did hold my nose and vote for Hillary, and I imagine you held yours as you voted for Trump. Personally, I think it is a whole lot easier to overlook Hillary's faults than it is to give Trump a free pass. But then we'll never know what Hillary might have done if elected... (I was more than a bit concerned she might start a war.)
I was so reassured by reading this editorial, I can't tell you how much more trust it gave me in our government. To hear that ethical Republicans are really what is standing between Trump and his abuse of power just gives me some trust back that we do really have checks and balances on power. Trump exceeds his power, abuses the office. He needs to be reigned in. And he's making us look bad.
I hope Mueller comes up with some real doozies; and if it goes all the way to the top, then I want Trump removed from office. And everybody else that had anything to do with it. And if that ends up meaning President Pelosi, then so BE IT.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello noise,
I see you didn't answer the question.
How would you take it if Mueller got Trump fired?
I see you didn't answer the question.
How would you take it if Mueller got Trump fired?
Why do you think they’re a he? and sorry, don’t share your opinion.
He/she could be a bit confused about their gender. That would not suprise me.
i assume you mean he releases a bill of particulars as Mueller cannot "fire" Trump.
he'll issue a report on every little minutia going back to the beginning of time which the Dem will use to "investigate" further.
It's a nothing burger on Russian collusion and obstructionism however.