Stronger Hurricanes. More Intense Wildfires. Predicted By Science Now Climate Reality

Hello noise,

noise said:
i do the same. My car is almost 20 years old and I can't even remember the last time i changed out the rotors.
I'm not stressed trying to"make time"and the car gets better mileage and less wear and tear.

The Florida sun eats the rubber tires and wipers - but I keep it clean and up on maintanence
Love my Ford Taurus hatchback
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Right on. Yeah, I've got a theory on the wipers. The build-up of dirt and bug chemicals on the surface eats 'em up. So get a habit of always doing the windshield when getting gas, and make sure you wipe down the wipers while you're doing it. Makes the wipers last longer.
 
Hello Threedee,

Threedee said:
Why is the OP afraid to discuss climate change with Tom?
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I suspect you already know.

OK, in the first place, I have no idea who you are even talking about. I've read every comment in this thread. No 'Tom' here.

2. You have failed to establish fear is even involved by simply making an unsubstantiated claim.

3. We both know you're probably talking about somebody from my Ignore List. I have made no secret of my PIP, Personal Ignore Policy. (Hey. I like that. I might have to start using that in my Signature...) We all have the tools to control who we choose to associate with here. I use 'em. People who lack social graces tend to hang out in online chat rooms (maybe because they don't have many friends in real life?) Whatever, not my concern. I only want to talk to interesting people who focus on the subject. Flame wars are useless, boring time wasters. Not interested! So I use an aggressive Ignore List. And I add the twist just to make sure it is understood I don't play games: My Ignore List is permanent. So if this person is on my Ignore List, that's it. There is no question. Every entry was done with the knowledge that it would be permanent. No exceptions. That's the reason I won't discuss this or anything with such an individual. Ever. Read the PIP.

I understand there are lots of people here who are all desensitized to the personal attacks. They think nothing of it. Trade 'em back and forth all day long. Really vile stuff. Such nasty stuff, there has to be a rule 12b, and even that gets broken. Hey. If that's what people are into, this is the place. It's allowed. (well, almost everything) But all that is not required. I didn't come here to play mind games. I'm PoliTalker, and I came to talk about Just Plain Politics. (Imagine such a thing at a web site called that!) For those who want to partake in food fights, a good handle might be 'Nuisance_Flamer.' Or perhaps, 'Not_Happy_In_Life_Envious_Of_Those_Who_Are.'

I don't recall signing up at a chat room called 'Food-Fight-A-Rama.'

I came to talk about . just . plain . politics .

PIP violation ain't that.
 
Hello anonymoose,

anonymoose said:
I'm not sure what the argument is but hopefully CA learns from this.
Instead of putting out every little fire that comes along do controlled brush fire in the future. It's called land management.
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Well, it seems to be fairly 'unanimoose,' anonymoose.

(sorry, couldn't resist.)

Most of the comments here are in agreement.

Could it be that nearly everyone who disagrees that industrial activity has an impact on global warming, also happens to be banned from commenting here?

Why does the thought of that not surprise me.

And yes, absolutely. CA needs to do more aggressive controlled burns. I bet a lot of places do.
 
Jack said:
I caught just a part of a Tom Friedman trip to Africa where he noted it's getting hotter and the agricultural fields need more water to survive. People are beginning to migrate out of the area.
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Except plants need less water with increased CO2. And Africa has a long history of droughts. And 60% of Africa has no weather data at all! It's all infilled. You really ought to look into the details of this theory you believe. LOL
 
anonymoose said:
I'm not sure what the argument is but hopefully CA learns from this.
Instead of putting out every little fire that comes along do controlled brush fire in the future. It's called land management.
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That makes too much sense.

I think the OP point is if you drive less, it will cut down on the intensity of CA wildfires. Or capitalism or something lol.
 
Hello tinfoil,

tinfoil said:
Except plants need less water with increased CO2. And Africa has a long history of droughts. And 60% of Africa has no weather data at all! It's all infilled. You really ought to look into the details of this theory you believe. LOL
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Lake Chad is a puddle compared to it's former self. Many of the migrants out of Africa left because they could no longer support themselves there. That includes subsistence farming.
 
Hello Darth,

Darth Beto Omar said:
That makes too much sense.

I think the OP point is if you drive less, it will cut down on the intensity of CA wildfires.
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Correct.

Darth Beto Omar said:
Or capitalism or something lol.
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I don't think a credible threat to our only habitat is anything to take lightly. Capitalism is actually beginning to support solutions in some ways, but we can't rely on that or wait for it. Capitalism is as capitalism does. It just chases profitability. There is no goal within capitalism which supports the longevity of human life. The goal is profits for capitalists. Period. If it makes money to destroy ourselves, somebody is willing to do that for the money.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Threedee,



I suspect you already know.

OK, in the first place, I have no idea who you are even talking about. I've read every comment in this thread. No 'Tom' here.

2. You have failed to establish fear is even involved by simply making an unsubstantiated claim.

3. We both know you're probably talking about somebody from my Ignore List. I have made no secret of my PIP, Personal Ignore Policy. (Hey. I like that. I might have to start using that in my Signature...) We all have the tools to control who we choose to associate with here. I use 'em. People who lack social graces tend to hang out in online chat rooms (maybe because they don't have many friends in real life?) Whatever, not my concern. I only want to talk to interesting people who focus on the subject. Flame wars are useless, boring time wasters. Not interested! So I use an aggressive Ignore List. And I add the twist just to make sure it is understood I don't play games: My Ignore List is permanent. So if this person is on my Ignore List, that's it. There is no question. Every entry was done with the knowledge that it would be permanent. No exceptions. That's the reason I won't discuss this or anything with such an individual. Ever. Read the PIP.

I understand there are lots of people here who are all desensitized to the personal attacks. They think nothing of it. Trade 'em back and forth all day long. Really vile stuff. Such nasty stuff, there has to be a rule 12b, and even that gets broken. Hey. If that's what people are into, this is the place. It's allowed. (well, almost everything) But all that is not required. I didn't come here to play mind games. I'm PoliTalker, and I came to talk about Just Plain Politics. (Imagine such a thing at a web site called that!) For those who want to partake in food fights, a good handle might be 'Nuisance_Flamer.' Or perhaps, 'Not_Happy_In_Life_Envious_Of_Those_Who_Are.'

I don't recall signing up at a chat room called 'Food-Fight-A-Rama.'

I came to talk about . just . plain . politics .

PIP violation ain't that.
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I just assume you banned him because you can't win a climate debate against him.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Darth,



Correct.



I don't think a credible threat to our only habitat is anything to take lightly. Capitalism is actually beginning to support solutions in some ways, but we can't rely on that or wait for it. Capitalism is as capitalism does. It just chases profitability. There is no goal within capitalism which supports the longevity of human life. The goal is profits for capitalists. Period. If it makes money to destroy ourselves, somebody is willing to do that for the money.
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Can't wait for what, exactly? What would you do tomorrow that satisfactorily blunts the dangers of climate change, as opposed to waiting for the necessary technologies and developments?
 
Threedee said:
Can't wait for what, exactly? What would you do tomorrow that satisfactorily blunts the dangers of climate change, as opposed to waiting for the necessary technologies and developments?
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I think I know what you mean. When I was a lad, the story was that Americans were causing an ice age by using products like hair sprays and underarm deodorants.

What can you or Politker or I do about "climate change?" Of course, we can preach about it, and do a few small things. I drive a hybrid. I recycle. I have reduced my consumption of consumer goods, especially those that have shipped from the other side of the globe. I realize that most of the consumer electronics purchased soon end up in a closet or drawer or a landfill.

But, overall, I do not affect the situation. I look at it like this; in spite of the meme, some climatologists refute the "human-made climate change" theories. If we found two, equally qualified scientists with opposing views, I wouldn't know which of them was correct.

I urge anyone reading this to use a favored search engine to see that NASA is claiming that a significant "Solar Minimum" is upon us.
 
Controlled Opposition said:
I think I know what you mean. When I was a lad, the story was that Americans were causing an ice age by using products like hair sprays and underarm deodorants.

What can you or Politker or I do about "climate change?" Of course, we can preach about it, and do a few small things. I drive a hybrid. I recycle. I have reduced my consumption of consumer goods, especially those that have shipped from the other side of the globe. I realize that most of the consumer electronics purchased soon end up in a closet or drawer or a landfill.

But, overall, I do not affect the situation. I look at it like this; in spite of the meme, some climatologists refute the "human-made climate change" theories. If we found two, equally qualified scientists with opposing views, I wouldn't know which of them was correct.

I urge anyone reading this to use a favored search engine to see that NASA is claiming that a significant "Solar Minimum" is upon us.
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Well, I still use deodorant, and no sign of an ice age. Anyway, I am not a fan of waste or pollution, and believe in reducing both from the community level (litter, etc) on up.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Threedee,



I suspect you already know.

OK, in the first place, I have no idea who you are even talking about. I've read every comment in this thread. No 'Tom' here.

2. You have failed to establish fear is even involved by simply making an unsubstantiated claim.

3. We both know you're probably talking about somebody from my Ignore List. I have made no secret of my PIP, Personal Ignore Policy. (Hey. I like that. I might have to start using that in my Signature...) We all have the tools to control who we choose to associate with here. I use 'em. People who lack social graces tend to hang out in online chat rooms (maybe because they don't have many friends in real life?) Whatever, not my concern. I only want to talk to interesting people who focus on the subject. Flame wars are useless, boring time wasters. Not interested! So I use an aggressive Ignore List. And I add the twist just to make sure it is understood I don't play games: My Ignore List is permanent. So if this person is on my Ignore List, that's it. There is no question. Every entry was done with the knowledge that it would be permanent. No exceptions. That's the reason I won't discuss this or anything with such an individual. Ever. Read the PIP.

I understand there are lots of people here who are all desensitized to the personal attacks. They think nothing of it. Trade 'em back and forth all day long. Really vile stuff. Such nasty stuff, there has to be a rule 12b, and even that gets broken. Hey. If that's what people are into, this is the place. It's allowed. (well, almost everything) But all that is not required. I didn't come here to play mind games. I'm PoliTalker, and I came to talk about Just Plain Politics. (Imagine such a thing at a web site called that!) For those who want to partake in food fights, a good handle might be 'Nuisance_Flamer.' Or perhaps, 'Not_Happy_In_Life_Envious_Of_Those_Who_Are.'

I don't recall signing up at a chat room called 'Food-Fight-A-Rama.'

I came to talk about . just . plain . politics .

PIP violation ain't that.
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Tom is Havana Moon. He's a scientifically dishonest, cherry-picking troll when it comes to climate change. I called him on some cherry-picked data long ago and he still has a stick up his heiny about it.
 
Hello Threedee,

Threedee said:
I just assume you banned him because you can't win a climate debate against him.
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Incorrect assumption. I ban people who make conversations unpleasant. I don't know if you've noticed, but people don't mouth off at me. If they do, they only do it once, and then they are banned from future threads. And if they suddenly decide later that they want to have a civil debate with me they find out it is too late for that; and they simply serve as fair warning to others who might be tempted to mouth off at me. I mean what I say.

But thanks for giving me a chance to get on my civil discourse soapbox again. That's a never-ending need.

Also, it doesn't really matter who wins a climate debate here. I've debated that against some really smart people who make a very good case for no connection between industrial activity and global warming. People who will absolutely BURY you with links and even entire books you're supposed to read. And you know what? I am not a scientist. I am not going to win a science debate against one. What I am is wise. I am wise enough to know that when so many different sources of the major media and governments all over the world say this is happening then I listen. When I take vacations and I see the corral reefs dying in front of my eyes it makes me sad. And hurricanes turning into cat 5 overnight, wiping a city clean off the map and killing people makes me sad. And wildfires so intense people can't even get away before being burned alive? That makes me sad too.

Wisdom always says: prepare for the worst, hope for the best.

Hoping for the best is not a good plan of action in case you happen to be wrong.

Go with the wise approach, then you've got it covered, no matter who is right.

Sometimes a little wisdom overrides reams of scientific debate.

This is one of those times.

Intense fires and stronger hurricanes are some of the same exact things they said was going to happen when the effects of global warming begin.

And it's only going to get worse in coming years.

We've got to do everything we can. So I am listening to the experts. I don't want to be the generation that knew, and could have done something, but blew it off because they thought it would cost too much money. Especially when a lot of the solutions actually make money and provide jobs. I heard there's already more green jobs than coal jobs right now. Very cool. And I don't mind reducing my footprint. Saves me money to reduce, reuse and recycle.

What we ought to do is take all those coal miners and send them to solar panel installation school.
 
Hello Threedee,

Threedee said:
Can't wait for what, exactly? What would you do tomorrow that satisfactorily blunts the dangers of climate change, as opposed to waiting for the necessary technologies and developments?
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Lots of things, but the first one to come to mind is: I would make an exception to the nuclear regulations which prevent the building of a traveling wave reactor in the USA. Bill Gates is a visionary, but his newest vision is so far advanced our regulations held him back; so he had to go to communist China where change can happen faster. That's where the first one is being built. This is a reactor that a) can't melt down, and b) uses the spent fuel from all previous reactors as fuel. Just think about those two ideas for a while.

That's like having your freaking cake and eating it too, as far as affordable clean energy goes.
 
Hello domer76,

domer76 said:
Tom is Havana Moon. He's a scientifically dishonest, cherry-picking troll when it comes to climate change. I called him on some cherry-picked data long ago and he still has a stick up his heiny about it.
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Too funny. I forgot he even exists. He was one of the very first ones to mouth off to me when I showed up here. Imagine that. A brand new poster shows up, looking for some good political discussions, and one of the regulars says something rude to the noob. Is it any wonder that most entries on the member list have just a handful of posts? How else can that be explained besides people showed up looking for political debate, found out how nasty the board is, and left.

I think the board would be better if he quit, and all those people who got run off stayed and contributed to the discussions.

The banned/Ignored should know that not only are they banned from my threads and on my Ignore List, I don't bother to read a word they write. So even if somebody else quotes them, as soon as I see who is being quoted, I just move on to the next comment. Sometimes I can scroll through a long flame war real quick. If there is nothing of substance to a thread I just move on until I find interesting discussion. There's so much activity here I don't have to worry about having all the political discussions I have time for. There's way MORE than I could ever keep up with. So I don't have to worry about having enough people to talk to. I have to be cold about it. I have no qualms about putting anybody on Permanent Ignore. When somebody deserves it, that's where they go. I don't do it lightly. I do it when it is appropriate, and that has to be up to me. Just as it should be for everyone who wants to have a refined posting experience here. Use the tools and it gets a lot better. You don't have to wallow in the gutter day in and day out.

Each of us has the power to decide how we want to come across here. If we choose to be respectful then most will be happy to respond in kind. If we choose to be offensive, then that is not usually well received. We can't help the people who have issues. But we can choose to keep our distance from them. They can make all the copy cat threads they want, say whatever they want about somebody behind their back, even try to make a whole thread just about it. Doesn't matter. I don't care. And I decide what I read. As far as I am concerned, they might as well be talking to a brick wall. I am not going to read a single word of it, and that is my choice. If they want to waste their time that is their choice.

There is a perfectly good life to be had without internet trolls.

Aggressive use of the Ignore feature is like having a can of Troll-B-Gone spray.

And it really works.
 
Hello Controlled Opposition,

Controlled Opposition said:
I think I know what you mean. When I was a lad, the story was that Americans were causing an ice age by using products like hair sprays and underarm deodorants.

What can you or Politker or I do about "climate change?" Of course, we can preach about it, and do a few small things. I drive a hybrid. I recycle. I have reduced my consumption of consumer goods, especially those that have shipped from the other side of the globe. I realize that most of the consumer electronics purchased soon end up in a closet or drawer or a landfill.

But, overall, I do not affect the situation. I look at it like this; in spite of the meme, some climatologists refute the "human-made climate change" theories. If we found two, equally qualified scientists with opposing views, I wouldn't know which of them was correct.

I urge anyone reading this to use a favored search engine to see that NASA is claiming that a significant "Solar Minimum" is upon us.
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Yeah, wait till that is over.

Doesn't matter who is right. The safe move is the wise move. There is no proving there is no threat. We gotta play it safe with our only planet. Even if there is only a chance we caused this. Because we don't want to risk getting it wrong.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Threedee,



Lots of things, but the first one to come to mind is: I would make an exception to the nuclear regulations which prevent the building of a traveling wave reactor in the USA. Bill Gates is a visionary, but his newest vision is so far advanced our regulations held him back; so he had to go to communist China where change can happen faster. That's where the first one is being built. This is a reactor that a) can't melt down, and b) uses the spent fuel from all previous reactors as fuel. Just think about those two ideas for a while.

That's like having your freaking cake and eating it too, as far as affordable clean energy goes.
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I agree about nuclear energy. Americans have unfortunately been nervous about it since 3 Mile Island.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Controlled Opposition,



Yeah, wait till that is over.

Doesn't matter who is right. The safe move is the wise move. There is no proving there is no threat. We gotta play it safe with our only planet. Even if there is only a chance we caused this. Because we don't want to risk getting it wrong.
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I agree that a cleaner planet is worth our efforts. I never said that we should wait to accomplish that. I did suggest that there is only so much I can do.
 
Hello Threedee,

Threedee said:
I agree about nuclear energy. Americans have unfortunately been nervous about it since 3 Mile Island.
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And the right still fights spending more on public education.

This is clearly a case where having a smarter nation would benefit everyone.
 
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