HUGE!! Trump to end birthright citizenship!!!

[Ross Dolan]

If we do not have birthright citizenship, why does Trump want to issue an executive order ending it?

THE most important question!

 

[rjhenn]

Foreign governments have NO JURISDICTION over anyone on US soil.

If they meant "and not subject to any foreign power”, that's what they should have said. That would have made a lot more sense.

 

[kudzu]

If they meant "and not subject to any foreign power”, that's what they should have said. That would have made a lot more sense.

They do say that... Law 101.

 

[Into the Night]

Nope.. You made it up.. We don't deport US citizens.

Never mentioned U.S. citizens. Contextomy fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

What country had LEGAL AUTHORITY in the US?

Legal authority is not the same as political jurisdiction.

 

[Into the Night]

Political divisions (also referred to as administrative divisions) of the United States are the various recognized governing entities that together form the United States — states, territories, the District of Columbia, and Indian reservations.

The primary first-level political (administrative) division of the United States is the state. There are 50 states, which are bound together in a union with each other. Each state holds governmental jurisdiction over a defined geographic territory, and shares its sovereignty with the United States federal government. According to numerous decisions of the United States Supreme Court, the 50 individual states and the United States as a whole are each sovereign jurisdictions.[1]

Other than the indian reservations, you are correct.

 

[Into the Night]

Political jurisdiction is a state, county, municipality.. Look it up. You're wrong and you're getting in deeper.

Nope. You are still confusing legal jurisdiction with political jurisdiction.

 

[kudzu]

If they meant "and not subject to any foreign power”, that's what they should have said. That would have made a lot more sense.

Allegiance has NOTHING to do with US jurisdiction.. If you are on US soil, the US has jurisdiction.

 

[kudzu]

Nope. You are still confusing legal jurisdiction with political jurisdiction.

US law is the ONLY law in the US. They have jurisdiction.. Yapping about legal versus political is about covering your ass with a fiction.

 

[CFM]

Allegiance has NOTHING to do with US jurisdiction.. If you are on US soil, the US has jurisdiction.

Maybe one of those illegally here that you support being here will Kate Steinle or Mollie Tibbetts your family member. You'd deserve it.

 

[Into the Night]

No, it hasn't.

Why is federal law changing? Does Congress have legislation revoking birthright citizenship that has some remote change of passage?

Nobody is revoking birthright citizenship.

Could you give us a link to this legislation and whatever legislation is changing the standard birth certificate form? Or, do we find this information the same place as the imaginary JFK executive order.

Not implemented yet,twit.

You are correct, federal courts don't sue. It was a group of parents who sued and the state had to settle.

The State didn't have to settle. They chose to.

If the children of those illegal aliens weren't citizens how are they getting that government welfare the state must provide?

Good question. They shouldn't be.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

Maybe one of those illegally here that you support being here will Kate Steinle or Mollie Tibbetts your family member. You'd deserve it.

Be better if it were you next time actually.

 

[CFM]

Be better if it were you next time actually.

You and kuntzu are the ones that want those pieces of shit here. You'd deserve it because of it.

 

[Into the Night]

Kelly Ann Conway says there are alternative facts.

There is no such thing as an 'alternative' fact.

I don't know what else to call your posts since they are not real facts.

True Scotsman fallacy. All facts are real facts. Learn what a 'fact' is. A 'fact' is not a Universal Truth.

I guess we can just call them lies or mistaken assumptions about constitutional law.

False dichotomy fallacy.

You are moving into not presenting any further arguments...only fallacies. 1st warning.

 

[Into the Night]

According to Into the Night the 14th Amendment did not establish birthright citizenship--it was an executive order by JFK. But I can find no reference to such an EO and Into the Night refuses to provide any sources. He is claiming all those children of non-citizens born in the U. S. are not citizens despite their birth certificates establishing their citizenship.

They don't.

 

[Into the Night]

Oh .. well that's nonsense.

Birthright citizenship is established in the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.

True, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States (meaning political jurisdiction). It does not make a foreign national a citizen. It does not make a child of a foreign national a citizen.

This clause was interpreted by the Supreme Court of the United States in 1898 to mean that citizenship could not be denied to any person born in the United States.

The Supreme Court does not have authority to change the Constitution of the United States.

 

[Into the Night]

If we do not have birthright citizenship, why does Trump want to issue an executive order ending it?

He isn't.

 

[Into the Night]

Foreign governments have NO JURISDICTION over anyone on US soil.

Yes they do. That's why deportation can only go to the nation a foreign national came from. We can't deport a Mexican citizen to Canada, for example. They go to Mexico. It is Mexico that has jurisdiction over that individual.

 

[Into the Night]

Allegiance has NOTHING to do with US jurisdiction.. If you are on US soil, the US has jurisdiction.

Uh...yes it does.

If the Russians invade the United States, and a women in the invading force has a baby on U.S. soil, that baby that came from enemy combatants is a U.S. Citizen??? Don't think so!

 

[kudzu]

Uh...yes it does.

If the Russians invade the United States, and a women in the invading force has a baby on U.S. soil, that baby that came from enemy combatants is a U.S. Citizen??? Don't think so!

That is covered in the statutes..

Invading armies are not eligible .. They are specifically EXCLUDED.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1401