China Reports Worst Economic Growth Since 1990

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China's economy grew 6.6% in 2018, the lowest pace in 28 years

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/21/chi...-economic-growth-for-fourth-quarter-year.html
China on Monday announced that its official economic growth came in at 6.6 percent in 2018 — the slowest pace since 1990.
That full-year figure matched expectations from analysts polled by Reuters.
Fourth-quarter GDP growth also matched expectations, coming in at 6.4 percent on-year from 6.5 percent in the third quarter.



Chinese statistics bureau chief Ning Jizhe told reporters on Monday that his country's trade dispute with the U.S. has affected the domestic economy, but the impact was manageable, Reuters reported. He said China's economy has shown a slowing but stabilizing trend in the last two months, and that it was still driven overall by domestic demand.

Even before increased trade tensions with the U.S., China was already trying to manage a slowdown in its economy.

Beijing is trying to balance a crackdown on high debt levels while also maintaining economic growth. While reducing reliance on debt would benefit the economy in the long run, it likely means a far slower pace of growth than the country has seen in recent years.

Nevertheless, economic data from China are being closely watched for signs of damage inflicted by the trade war with Washington.

While official data indicated China's economy held up for much of last year, it now appears to be slowing. Production metrics and export orders are falling as the country's trade dispute with the U.S. drags on and other factors weigh on growth.

Both sides have been trying to negotiate a deal.

China has offered a six-year boost in imports during its ongoing talks with the U.S., officials familiar with the matter told CNBC last week.

China pegged its proposal to buy more U.S. goods through 2024 to President Donald Trump's hopes of being re-elected in 2020, the sources told CNBC.

China's top trade negotiator, Vice Premier Liu He, will visit Washington, D.C., on Jan. 30 for two days of talks with U.S. trade representative Robert Lighthizer.
China to boost economy through policies

Acknowledging that China's development faces a more complicated and difficult external environment in 2019, the country's statistics bureau chief Ning said there is still ample ability to institute new support, Reuters reported.

Analysts are expecting Beijing to roll out further stimulus in the month ahead.

Tao Wang, UBS Investment Bank's Asia economics head and chief China economist, said she expected Beijing to roll out further cuts to the reserve requirement ratio — the amount of cash that banks have to hold as reserves.

Together with other policy tweaks such as tax cuts and infrastructure spending, China's growth can be stabilized so that the economy achieves a "soft landing," Wang told CNBC. UBS forecast China's GDP growth to be 6.1 percent in 2019.
 
China's economy grew 6.6% in 2018, the lowest pace in 28 years

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/21/chi...-economic-growth-for-fourth-quarter-year.html
China on Monday announced that its official economic growth came in at 6.6 percent in 2018 — the slowest pace since 1990.
That full-year figure matched expectations from analysts polled by Reuters.
Fourth-quarter GDP growth also matched expectations, coming in at 6.4 percent on-year from 6.5 percent in the third quarter.



Chinese statistics bureau chief Ning Jizhe told reporters on Monday that his country's trade dispute with the U.S. has affected the domestic economy, but the impact was manageable, Reuters reported. He said China's economy has shown a slowing but stabilizing trend in the last two months, and that it was still driven overall by domestic demand.

Even before increased trade tensions with the U.S., China was already trying to manage a slowdown in its economy.

Beijing is trying to balance a crackdown on high debt levels while also maintaining economic growth. While reducing reliance on debt would benefit the economy in the long run, it likely means a far slower pace of growth than the country has seen in recent years.

Nevertheless, economic data from China are being closely watched for signs of damage inflicted by the trade war with Washington.

While official data indicated China's economy held up for much of last year, it now appears to be slowing. Production metrics and export orders are falling as the country's trade dispute with the U.S. drags on and other factors weigh on growth.

Both sides have been trying to negotiate a deal.

China has offered a six-year boost in imports during its ongoing talks with the U.S., officials familiar with the matter told CNBC last week.

China pegged its proposal to buy more U.S. goods through 2024 to President Donald Trump's hopes of being re-elected in 2020, the sources told CNBC.

China's top trade negotiator, Vice Premier Liu He, will visit Washington, D.C., on Jan. 30 for two days of talks with U.S. trade representative Robert Lighthizer.
China to boost economy through policies

Acknowledging that China's development faces a more complicated and difficult external environment in 2019, the country's statistics bureau chief Ning said there is still ample ability to institute new support, Reuters reported.

Analysts are expecting Beijing to roll out further stimulus in the month ahead.

Tao Wang, UBS Investment Bank's Asia economics head and chief China economist, said she expected Beijing to roll out further cuts to the reserve requirement ratio — the amount of cash that banks have to hold as reserves.

Together with other policy tweaks such as tax cuts and infrastructure spending, China's growth can be stabilized so that the economy achieves a "soft landing," Wang told CNBC. UBS forecast China's GDP growth to be 6.1 percent in 2019.

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The US trade deficit hit $55.5 billion in October, the highest since October 2008.

The increase in the deficit is the result of continued growth in imports, while exports actually fell.

The trade deficit with China also hit a record level.

One of President Donald Trump's goals for the trade war was to reduce the trade deficit, but the president's own policies are likely in part prompting the widening gap.
 
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The US trade deficit hit $55.5 billion in October, the highest since October 2008.

The increase in the deficit is the result of continued growth in imports, while exports actually fell.

The trade deficit with China also hit a record level.

One of President Donald Trump's goals for the trade war was to reduce the trade deficit, but the president's own policies are likely in part prompting the widening gap.
red hot consumer economy is trade deficit.
Soybean export loss
New trade agreement will open up more markets when/if it gets done. Looking more an more like we'll have it by March
 
red hot consumer economy is trade deficit.
Soybean export loss
New trade agreement will open up more markets when/if it gets done. Looking more an more like we'll have it by March


oopsy

The US trade deficit hit $55.5 billion in October, the highest since October 2008.

The increase in the deficit is the result of continued growth in imports, while exports actually fell.

The trade deficit with China also hit a record level.

One of President Donald Trump's goals for the trade war was to reduce the trade deficit, but the president's own policies are likely in part prompting the widening gap.
 
oh my

The deficit edged up 1.7% to $55.5 billion from a revised $54.6 billion in September, the Commerce Department said Thursday. That’s the biggest shortfall since October 2008, and ironically, it stems in part from tariffs imposed by President Trump in an effort to reduce the deficit.

Economists polled by MarketWatch had forecast a $55.1 billion gap.

What happened: Imports rose 0.2% to a record $266.5 billion in October.


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/u...despite-tariffs-tough-trump-stance-2018-12-06
 
China's economy grew 6.6% in 2018, the lowest pace in 28 years

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/21/chi...-economic-growth-for-fourth-quarter-year.html
China on Monday announced that its official economic growth came in at 6.6 percent in 2018 — the slowest pace since 1990.
That full-year figure matched expectations from analysts polled by Reuters.
Fourth-quarter GDP growth also matched expectations, coming in at 6.4 percent on-year from 6.5 percent in the third quarter.



Chinese statistics bureau chief Ning Jizhe told reporters on Monday that his country's trade dispute with the U.S. has affected the domestic economy, but the impact was manageable, Reuters reported. He said China's economy has shown a slowing but stabilizing trend in the last two months, and that it was still driven overall by domestic demand.

Even before increased trade tensions with the U.S., China was already trying to manage a slowdown in its economy.

Beijing is trying to balance a crackdown on high debt levels while also maintaining economic growth. While reducing reliance on debt would benefit the economy in the long run, it likely means a far slower pace of growth than the country has seen in recent years.

Nevertheless, economic data from China are being closely watched for signs of damage inflicted by the trade war with Washington.

While official data indicated China's economy held up for much of last year, it now appears to be slowing. Production metrics and export orders are falling as the country's trade dispute with the U.S. drags on and other factors weigh on growth.

Both sides have been trying to negotiate a deal.

China has offered a six-year boost in imports during its ongoing talks with the U.S., officials familiar with the matter told CNBC last week.

China pegged its proposal to buy more U.S. goods through 2024 to President Donald Trump's hopes of being re-elected in 2020, the sources told CNBC.

China's top trade negotiator, Vice Premier Liu He, will visit Washington, D.C., on Jan. 30 for two days of talks with U.S. trade representative Robert Lighthizer.
China to boost economy through policies

Acknowledging that China's development faces a more complicated and difficult external environment in 2019, the country's statistics bureau chief Ning said there is still ample ability to institute new support, Reuters reported.

Analysts are expecting Beijing to roll out further stimulus in the month ahead.

Tao Wang, UBS Investment Bank's Asia economics head and chief China economist, said she expected Beijing to roll out further cuts to the reserve requirement ratio — the amount of cash that banks have to hold as reserves.

Together with other policy tweaks such as tax cuts and infrastructure spending, China's growth can be stabilized so that the economy achieves a "soft landing," Wang told CNBC. UBS forecast China's GDP growth to be 6.1 percent in 2019.

You post this as if it is some kind of victory for Trump, as if it is going to have the effect of pushing China to the negotiating table, it isn't, the one reality you keep overlooking is that China is an autocracy, they aren't worry about its effects on the Chinesse people, nor are the people going to rise in and demand action, the leaders can pretty much do what they want including waiting two years till Trump fades
 
Whatever China's GDP is, It's better than ours.

And that's not because of unfair trading, but because China seems to be manufacturing more things that most people in the world want- and the price is competitive.

If we raise tariffs on China, China will just trade with other partners in the world.

If America wants to win the trade wars, we need to be manufacturing the things people around the world most want and make sure our price is compatible on the world market like China's stuff is.

The true problem Donald Trump personally has with China is he owes China Billions of dollars in loans, and every time their Yuan gains on the American Dollar, he ends up just owing them more money!

What Donald Trump is trying to do is he thinks he hurts their Yuan by creating a trade war! But, it don't work like that!

China just trades elsewhere in the world!
 
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Good point, hurting China does not = good for us....
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Whatever China's GDP is, It's better than ours.

And that's not because of unfair trading, but because China seems to be manufacturing more things that most people in the world want- and the price is competitive.

If we raise tariffs on China, China will just trade with other partners in the world.

If America wants to win the trade wars, we need to be manufacturing the things people around the world most want and make sure our price is compatible on the world market like China's stuff is.

The true problem Donald Trump personally has with China is he owes China Billions of dollars in loans, and every time their Yuan gains on the American Dollar, he ends up just owing them more money!

What Donald Trump is trying to do is he thinks he hurts their Yuan by creating a trade war! But, it don't work like that!

China just trades elsewhere in the world!
no. USA is the single largest China market.
It's an export driven economy, and can't pay for it's infrastructure advances without balance of trade cash.

If America wants to win the trade wars, we need to be manufacturing the things people around the world most want and make sure our price is compatible on the world market like China's stuff is.
we ARE manufacturing "things people want" -we just added 500k manufacturing jobs
 
Good point, hurting China does not = good for us....
tariffs hurt China and the USA both.
But China does not respond to legal niceties or jawboning.

The tariffs are the sticks -new trade agreement that helps BOTH countries are the carrot goal
you are correct -trade is not a zero sum game
 
no. USA is the single largest China market.
It's an export driven economy, and can't pay for it's infrastructure advances without balance of trade cash.

we ARE manufacturing "things people want" -we just added 500k manufacturing jobs

We need China worse than they need us!

They are financing our National debt for one!
 
The true problem Donald Trump personally has with China is he owes China Billions of dollars in loans, and every time their Yuan gains on the American Dollar, he ends up just owing them more money!

What Donald Trump is trying to do is he thinks he hurts their Yuan by creating a trade war! But, it don't work like that!

China just trades elsewhere in the world!

Where's the link for that claim? ... in your ass? ... because that's obviously where you pulled it from.

How can American workers compete with low-wage Chinese workers? What is the liberal's solution?
 
You post this as if it is some kind of victory for Trump, as if it is going to have the effect of pushing China to the negotiating table, it isn't, the one reality you keep overlooking is that China is an autocracy, they aren't worry about its effects on the Chinesse people, nor are the people going to rise in and demand action, the leaders can pretty much do what they want including waiting two years till Trump fades
Xi is "President for life" until he's not. Xi is president contingent on his trade policies bringing in cash to support SOEnterprises,and using the money to pay for "1 belt 1 road ' infrastructure.

China has it's own oligarchs however- not just SOEs- and they ain't happy.

There is political pressure on Xi to perform,and also I'm betting he will sign a trade agreement-
and they have made purchases as well as dropping the requirement for joint venture IP theft
 
Tis interesting that they have yet to play or threaten to play that card, yet......
they use the interest payments as well. look at the OP for Chinese dynamics.
Also any continuing stimulus and less deposit requirements are for a "soft landing"
 
As I argued in my book, The End of the Asian Century, decades of sweeping problems under the rug have caught up with China. From a labor shortage (thanks to the One Child Policy), which drives up labor costs, to malinvestment and crony capitalism, along with horrific environmental damage, China’s vaunted economic model was unsustainable in the long run. The extraordinary growth that China underwent from the 1980s onward was real, and yet in starting from such a low base, extraordinary growth was possible if even modest economic reforms were implemented.

Today, the reform program has all but stalled, and Chinese President Xi Jinping’s tenure will likely be known for its big promises and few accomplishments. That’s one reason why he has placed such a big emphasis on the Made in China 2025 program, to make China the world’s leader in high-tech development and manufacturing, and on the Belt and Road Initiative, to open up new markets. Yet, just like Japan in the 1980s, his grandiose plans are unlikely to achieve their aim. Not only is the Chinese economy still dependent on capturing (read: stealing) foreign intellectual property, the role of state-owned enterprises is growing in crucial sectors (even if absolute numbers have been reduced thanks to consolidation and privatization). Moreover, the lack of confidence in China’s future has spread downward from the elite (most of whom have foreign passports and send their money and children abroad) to middle-class Chinese, who are trying to protect their money by purchasing real estate abroad.
 
Where's the link for that claim? ... in your ass? ... because that's obviously where you pulled it from.

How can American workers compete with low-wage Chinese workers? What is the liberal's solution?

Hey! Thanks for asking a very good question!

First of all, wipe that defeatist look off of your face, OK? We are talking about America and American workers.

It was just 4 years ago that the average worker in China, was only 33 cents an hour. But just a few years later, China is now sporting a 65% increase in average wage earnings and is at $3.40 cents an hour. Whooptitity do! Right?

So, forget the wage difference, because we are not in competition with China regarding who can keep wages the lowest. We do not want to win that game or even try to play in that kind of a wage war with China.

In fact, we should be increasing our wages here in America, instead of trying to lower them to Chinese standards!

America, for almost the last 75 years, has been the leader in the world for technology and education. These two things go together! You will never have one without the other.

America has taken it's eye off of the ball, and now Japan is leading the world in technology. We are sitting at 2nd Chair. And China is now sitting in the 5th chair, just after South Korea and Germany. But, let me tell you, no one country has moved up the scale of technology as fast and as far as China has in the last decade.

China is gaining in technology the fastest, and is now leading in many areas of technology in the world. Let's just take robotic technology for one example. China is now leading the rest of the world in robotics- which actually replaces labor- once it's up and working.

While China has been educating and graduating engineers with math and engineering degrees at little to no cost to the student, here in America, we are still trying to keep more people out of college than helping them acquire educations. We make education a lifestyle choice for the rich and famous only, by actually competing to see which university can charge the most for their prestigeous degrees. And, we are doing nothing to encourage students to acquire math and engineering degrees.

America has instead created the world's most gainfully employed working force for those in the Medical, Health Insurance, Pharmacuedical fields that are only costing the consumers of those products and services to become almost unaffordable for most Americans.

We actually have a glut with people with medical careers. We also have a glut on legal, law, and police careers. We have a glut with political science careers. We have a glut with financial, mortgage, banking, and Wall Street and Real Estate careers.

Where we fall short is math and engineering degrees, and that is why we are losing our lead on Technology- and that is why we are losing the economic wars in the world.

And let me tell you, a trade war will never resolve our trade problems in the world. That is just going to isolate us even more in the world and make everything we need to cost more.

No Sir! The only way to fix our shortcomings in the world is go back to being the innovative technology leaders in the world.

We have to compete by using good old American innovative technology and Yankee ingenuity like we once had- not competing with low wages in China.
 
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Hey! Thanks for asking a very good question!
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No Sir! The only way to fix our shortcomings in the world is go back to being the innovative technology leaders in the world.

We have to compete with good old American innovative technology and Yankee ingenuity like we once had- not competing with low wages in China.

A lot of word salad and no specific solution, ... just generalized tired memes. :palm:
 
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