'When John McCain was my captive'

[Damocles]

That's correct, but Damo is also a defender of a party that engages in tactics he claims to abhor. None of that makes any sense.

LOL. Reality check.

The party you adore, through constant votes and support, has 527's that Obama does not want people who support him donating to because they also apply these kinds of tactics.

I guarantee you Obama does not want people trying to attack a POW for the time they served in the Hanoi Hilton. It is a bad plan politically.

I hate such tactics, true. But that doesn't mean that I should vote for somebody who stands politically opposite to me.

As it stands right now, I have nobody to support for President because nobody is purporting to support that which I find important.

 

[Topspin]

lots of turbolibs are simpletons like these two, real narrowminded movon.moron types.
We need more educated balanced dems.

 

[Bonestorm]

LOL. Reality check.

The party you adore, through constant votes and support, has 527's that Obama does not want people who support him donating to because they also apply these kinds of tactics.

I guarantee you Obama does not want people trying to attack a POW for the time they served in the Hanoi Hilton. It is a bad plan politically.

I hate such tactics, true. But that doesn't mean that I should vote for somebody who stands politically opposite to me.

As it stands right now, I have nobody to support for President because nobody is purporting to support that which I find important.

Where's the evidence that groups on the left plan to attack McCain based on his service or his time as a P.O.W.? To date, the only group to have done that is one of the groups that attacked Kerry based on his service in Vietnam. It wasn't a lefty group.

 

[Damocles]

Where's the evidence that groups on the left plan to attack McCain based on his service or his time as a P.O.W.? To date, the only group to have done that is one of the groups that attacked Kerry based on his service in Vietnam. It wasn't a lefty group.

It isn't the right pushing the "info" here, is it?

I spoke against him back then, I speak against him now. Only one group is suddenly finding this guy credible and it sure isn't the "right".

 

[blackascoal]

LOL. Reality check.

The party you adore, through constant votes and support, has 527's that Obama does not want people who support him donating to because they also apply these kinds of tactics.

I guarantee you Obama does not want people trying to attack a POW for the time they served in the Hanoi Hilton. It is a bad plan politically.

I hate such tactics, true. But that doesn't mean that I should vote for somebody who stands politically opposite to me.

As it stands right now, I have nobody to support for President because nobody is purporting to support that which I find important.

How many times do you have to be told I'm not a democrat .. so how in the hell do I "adore them?"

Did I vote for Nader or Gore?

And again, it doesn't matter a damn what Obama wants. He cannot control 527's BY LAW.

Obama is the politician and he's going to do what is political .. voters are not beholden to doing what Obama thinks we should do.

 

[Damocles]

How many times do you have to be told I'm not a democrat .. so how in the hell do I "adore them?"

Did I vote for Nader or Gore?

And again, it doesn't matter a damn what Obama wants. He cannot control 527's BY LAW.

Obama is the politician and he's going to do what is political .. voters are not beholden to doing what Obama thinks we should do.

Did I vote for Badnarick or Bush?

Every post of yours is in support of them, just because you are not registered a D doesn't mean you don't support their policies and promote them.

You have a very clear bias regardless of how you are registered.

As for the 527s, both candidates have shown a level of control that is impressive, Obama's has been nearly magical. It can work against him, exactly as I have stated above. Mostly because perception really is everything in politics.

And what is political in this case is working as hard as possible to control the message.

 

[blackascoal]

lots of turbolibs are simpletons like these two, real narrowminded movon.moron types.
We need more educated balanced dems.

See if you can bend over far enough to stick your dick in your nose dummy.

Make yourself useful because you haven't added to the conversation here. Stick your dick in your nose .. tell us how it feels.

 

[Bonestorm]

Did I vote for Badnarick or Bush?

Every post of yours is in support of them, just because you are not registered a D doesn't mean you don't support their policies and promote them.

You have a very clear bias regardless of how you are registered.

As for the 527s, both candidates have shown a level of control that is impressive, Obama's has been nearly magical. It can work against him, exactly as I have stated above. Mostly because perception really is everything in politics.

And what is political in this case is working as hard as possible to control the message.

Ah, the tried and true Damocles staple: the "perception" dodge.

I wonder how these "perceptions" form. Could it be the result of hacks like Damo relentlessly repeating false statements such as that Obama has demonstrated control over the message of 527s?

No way! Not possible.

 

[Cancel7]

See if you can bend over far enough to stick your dick in your nose dummy.

Make yourself useful because you haven't added to the conversation here. Stick your dick in your nose .. tell us how it feels.

Umm…I can’t imagine it would feel good.

 

[blackascoal]

Did I vote for Badnarick or Bush?

Every post of yours is in support of them, just because you are not registered a D doesn't mean you don't support their policies and promote them.

You have a very clear bias regardless of how you are registered.

As for the 527s, both candidates have shown a level of control that is impressive, Obama's has been nearly magical. It can work against him, exactly as I have stated above. Mostly because perception really is everything in politics.

And what is political in this case is working as hard as possible to control the message.

You are the moderator here .. and I'm REAL sure you've seen more than one post of mine that talks negatively about the Democratic Party and democratic voters and posts that state very clearly why I'm not a democrat.

My "bias" is left vs right which is a huge ass difference from how you're trying to characterize it.

The point you once again keep skipping right past is the LAW dictates that candidates acnnot control 527's and Obama did not contol them, he controlled his donors .. a huge distinction that does not bode well for your argument.

Irrespective of wht you think about 527's or Obama's control .. the questions about McCain are already rising from when I first posed them here .. and they will contin e to rise and Obama will pay no political costs for them.

What are you suggesting .. the shrinking republican base will get so fired up about attacks on McCain's record that they'll storm to the polls in record numbers to defend him?

Please ..

 

[blackascoal]

Umm…I can’t imagine it would feel good.

It might to a dummy who doesn't have anything better to do than post school yard insults in an adult conversation.

 

[Damocles]

Ah, the tried and true Damocles staple: the "perception" dodge.

I wonder how these "perceptions" form. Could it be the result of hacks like Damo relentlessly repeating false statements such as that Obama has demonstrated control over the message of 527s?

No way! Not possible.

You give me much more power than I have ever held. People get the perception from the articles they read and what was clearly a strong level of control shown previous.

 

[Damocles]

You are the moderator here .. and I'm REAL sure you've seen more than one post of mine that talks negatively about the Democratic Party and democratic voters and posts that state very clearly why I'm not a democrat.

My "bias" is left vs right which is a huge ass difference from how you're trying to characterize it.

The point you once again keep skipping right past is the LAW dictates that candidates acnnot control 527's and Obama did not contol them, he controlled his donors .. a huge distinction that does not bode well for your argument.

Irrespective of wht you think about 527's or Obama's control .. the questions about McCain are already rising from when I first posed them here .. and they will contin e to rise and Obama will pay no political costs for them.

What are you suggesting .. the shrinking republican base will get so fired up about attacks on McCain's record that they'll storm to the polls in record numbers to defend him?

Please ..

And the point you keep skipping right past is he actually demonstrated a large level of control through the donors. In fact you keep ignoring its importance and the big deal the press made of it at the time.

I see two people desperately trying to mitigate that "problem" in this thread. I think they fear that I am right.

And no, false negatives (or things perceived as such) tend to keep people that would otherwise support a candidate from going to the polls at all.

 

[Bonestorm]

You give me much more power than I have ever held. People get the perception from the articles they read and what was clearly a strong level of control shown previous.

Control over donors. Not control over 527s or their message.

Why you refuse to recognize the distinction is beyond me . . . Actually, no it isn't. You're a hack!

Repeating the bullshit the emanates from the right-wing looney tunes is exactly how these perceptions get shaped. You're just doing your part in your little niche.

 

[Cancel7]

And the point you keep skipping right past is he actually demonstrated a large level of control through the donors. In fact you keep ignoring its importance and the big deal the press made of it at the time.

I see two people desperately trying to mitigate that "problem" in this thread. I think they fear that I am right.

And no, false negatives (or things perceived as such) tend to keep people that would otherwise support a candidate from going to the polls at all.

Damo, considering that you sling more horseshit than anyone on here, I don’t know why you’re raising goats.

 

[blackascoal]

And the point you keep skipping right past is he actually demonstrated a large level of control through the donors. In fact you keep ignoring its importance and the big deal the press made of it at the time.

I see two people desperately trying to mitigate that "problem" in this thread. I think they fear that I am right.

And no, false negatives (or things perceived as such) tend to keep people that would otherwise support a candidate from going to the polls at all.

You nailed the source of your problem .. if you think I'm trying to "mitigate" because I think you're right .. then your problem is that you lack interpretive skills .. which is why you think Obama will pay a cost McCain won't.

The fear is all yours sir. That's what all your posts have been about. If mcCain has such a stelar record, then why do you fear questions?

Perception is everything in politrics .. your words .. then what will be the perception of a diminshed war hero be .. who doesn't engender any enthusiasm as it is already?

Your argument has no logic to it whatsoever .. that's what I think.

 

[Damocles]

Control over donors. Not control over 527s or their message.

Why you refuse to recognize the distinction is beyond me . . . Actually, no it isn't. You're a hack!

Repeating the bullshit the emanates from the right-wing looney tunes is exactly how these perceptions get shaped. You're just doing your part in your little niche.

One more time, because of his control over donors he was able to continue to keep control of the message. Pretending that you cannot comprehend this is plain sad.

That losing control of that message would be detrimental is a given, by their own campaign.

 

[Damocles]

You nailed the source of your problem .. if you think I'm trying to "mitigate" because I think you're right .. then your problem is that you lack interpretive skills .. which is why you think Obama will pay a cost McCain won't.

Clearly I was speaking of somebody else there. There are more than you and Dung here.

The fear is all yours sir. That's what all your posts have been about. If mcCain has such a stelar record, then why do you fear questions?

When have I said I fear them? I have demonstrated why I think they would work against your candidate.

Perception is everything in politrics .. your words .. then what will be the perception of a diminshed war hero be .. who doesn't engender any enthusiasm as it is already?

Your argument has no logic to it whatsoever .. that's what I think.

Again, what I have demonstrated is how it could work against your candidate. That is all. I have no dog in this hunt at all. I am not voting for either of these candidates.

 

[uscitizen]

Umm…I can’t imagine it would feel good.

Hmm hight depend on how well endowed one was. Pretty kinky though and I have never even heard of that kink, but I am sure damo has heard of nostril sex.

 

[Bonestorm]

One more time, because of his control over donors he was able to continue to keep control of the message. Pretending that you cannot comprehend this is plain sad.

That losing control of that message would be detrimental is a given, by their own campaign.

I'm done with you on this one.

If you want to pretend that Obama is responsible for the content of any and all 527 ads that come out against McCain because he was able to convince his big money donors not to give money to two prominent 527 groups please feel free to do so. I wouldn't want reality to get in the way of your hackitude.