An idea for bipartisan tax reform

[Irish]

So you have a philosophical problem with Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid?

Why?




But Canada does. As does Germany, Holland, Norway, Switzerland, Sweden, Japan, Israel, Australia, New Zealand, Denmark, Luxembourg, Belgium, Portugal, South Korea, Ireland, and France.

None of those are socialist, and none have a higher standard of living.

 

[canceled.2021.1]

My idea of meaningful tax reform is raising taxes on the poor. Time for them to pay their fair share

 

[Controlled Opposition]

I'm all for having the rich pay way more, but as long as the Republicans have a majority in the Senate, that's not happening, because the rich own them. But I think there's a short-term achievable goal in doing something about this particular problem, since it creates difficulties for both constituencies. For the rich, it can create a lot of uncertainty and risk of double-taxation, as well as needless complexity, red-tape, and expense for employers. And for the rest of us, it's arguably even worse, since we can't afford the kind of tax consultants who can figure this crap out for us, so it's a real personal headache and risk.

The "rich" own both parties.

 

[cancel2 2022]

LIE and LAME. Race hustling regulations are the reason we had a mortgage implosion and stock market collapse.

What Caused the Mortgage Crisis?
https://www.thetruthaboutmortgage.com/what-caused-the-mortgage-crisis/
Who Was to Blame for the Subprime Crisis?
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/07/subprime-blame.asp
The Cause of the 2008 Financial Crisis
.......Why would banks make such risky loans? The answer is that the Clinton administration pressured the banks to help poor people become homeowners, a noble liberal idea. Also the Clinton Justice Department threatened banks with lawsuits and fines ($10,000 per application) for redlining (discrimination) if they did not make these loans. Also ACORN (Obama’s community service organization) was instrumental in providing borrowers and pressuring the banks to make these loans.

To allow Fannie Mae to make more loans, President Clinton also reduced Fannie Mae’s reserve requirement to 2.5%. That means it could purchase and/or guarantee $97.50 in mortgages for every $2.50 it had in equity to cover possible bad debts. If more than 2.5% of the loans go bad, the taxpayers (us) have to pay for them. That is what this bailout is all about. It is not the government paying the banks for the bad loans, it is us!!
https://www.aim.org/guest-column/the-cause-of-the-2008-financial-crisis/

Watch as Democrats attack the regulator and race hustle in the hearings in 2004 trying to get a handle on the impending crisis; yes the DEMOCRATS are the reason nothing was done folks:

Still very funny and sadly true comedy sketch about the subprime crisis.

 

[LV426]

I didn’t say I support it

I am just happy I got you to stop being disingenuous.

I oppose income taxes on a moral basis. I prefer excise taxes and tariffs to fund the gobblement.

But then I would eliminate entire departments so we wouldn’t need that much money.

I've never been disingenuous, and you're making an emotional argument about the morals of taxation because there is no economic or fiscal argument you can make.

 

[LV426]

None of those are socialist, and none have a higher standard of living.

They most definitely have socialist aspects to their societies, which is what we are calling for here.

And yes, virtually all of them have a higher standard of living than the US:

In fact, Canada is #1, while the US is #17 behind most western democracies: https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/quality-of-life-rankings

 

[Truth Detector]

I've never been disingenuous, and you're making an emotional argument about the morals of taxation because there is no economic or fiscal argument you can make.

True. Most of the time you are a pathological lying dumb fuck. Then there are others where you are just a dishonest lying partisan hack on steroids.

 

[Truth Detector]

They most definitely have socialist aspects to their societies, which is what we are calling for here.

And yes, virtually all of them have a higher standard of living than the US:

In fact, Canada is #1, while the US is #17 behind most western democracies: https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/quality-of-life-rankings

We keep seeing these moronic claims; if they are so great, why aren't you brain dead America hating dumb fucks on the left moving there? Why aren't immigrants knocking down their doors to get instead of the US?

 

[canceled.2021.1]

I've never been disingenuous, and you're making an emotional argument about the morals of taxation because there is no economic or fiscal argument you can make.

Morality is all I need. I don’t need any other arguments although I could make them

Newsflash Toby you don’t dictate the terms of my debate.

 

[LV426]

Morality is all I need

Oh really? Does morality pay the bills?

By leaning on "morality", you're ceding academic, fiscal, economic, and empirical evidence to me.

Also, hilarious to see you concerned about morality while supporting a President who cheated on all three of his wives, assaulted teenage girls, and had his fixer pay off porn stars.

"Morality" a la Conservatism.

 

[LV426]

I don’t need any other arguments although I could make them

If you could make them, you wouldn't lean on the morality argument.

Try me with the other arguments! What are the ones you think you can make? I doubt you could make even one.

Newsflash Toby you don’t dictate the terms of my debate.

What a crybaby.

 

[canceled.2021.1]

Oh really? Does morality pay the bills?

By leaning on "morality", you're ceding academic, fiscal, economic, and empirical evidence to me.

Also, hilarious to see you concerned about morality while supporting a President who cheated on all three of his wives, assaulted teenage girls, and had his fixer pay off porn stars.

"Morality" a la Conservatism.

Pay your own bills. Stealing someone’s money to satisfy your conscience is immoral. That you call it a tax and use the force of gobblement coercion to do it makes it no less immoral and tyrannical

I cede nothing. My reasoning for low taxation is a moral one. I reject your premises out of hand.

 

[Irish]

They most definitely have socialist aspects to their societies, which is what we are calling for here.

And yes, virtually all of them have a higher standard of living than the US:

In fact, Canada is #1, while the US is #17 behind most western democracies: https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/quality-of-life-rankings

Canadians have to wait 2 years to see a cancer specialist. Doesn't sound like the utopia you envision.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Canadians have to wait 2 years to see a cancer specialist. Doesn't sound like the utopia you envision.

Ask Canadians if they would change their system for ours...and the vast majority would laugh in your face! The rest would as what "system" means.

 

[Wolverine]

I'm all for having the rich pay way more, but as long as the Republicans have a majority in the Senate, that's not happening, because the rich own them. But I think there's a short-term achievable goal in doing something about this particular problem, since it creates difficulties for both constituencies. For the rich, it can create a lot of uncertainty and risk of double-taxation, as well as needless complexity, red-tape, and expense for employers. And for the rest of us, it's arguably even worse, since we can't afford the kind of tax consultants who can figure this crap out for us, so it's a real personal headache and risk.

WHY do you want to punish successful people, you are coveting period end of argument. I am middle class, and a rich guy who risked it all, started a business and I have been with said company 30 yrs. WHY should he be punished?

 

[Ross Dolan]

Pay your own bills. Stealing someone’s money to satisfy your conscience is immoral. That you call it a tax and use the force of gobblement coercion to do it makes it no less immoral and tyrannical

I cede nothing. My reasoning for low taxation is a moral one. I reject your premises out of hand.

The fucking depravity of American conservative thinking must be a hangover from when they were kids and refused to let other kids play with their toys.

American conservative reasoning for wanting low taxation has almost nothing to do with morality...and almost everything to do with greed. That is good...because they are almost totally lacking in morality and are overflowing with greed.

 

[Getin the ring]

Ask Canadians if they would change their system for ours...and the vast majority would laugh in your face! The rest would as what "system" means.

Oh I agree,

Democrats should just keep yelling SOCIALISM RULES at the top of their lungs
let me know how that works out for you

The fucking depravity of American conservative thinking must be a hangover from when they were kids and refused to let other kids play with their toys.

American conservative reasoning for wanting low taxation has almost nothing to do with morality...and almost everything to do with greed. That is good...because they are almost totally lacking in morality and are overflowing with greed.

let me translate this for you , frankie

When liberals were kids, they believed it was ok to take other peoples toys without asking, and liberals believe it's ok to take as much money from me through taxes in order to buy more toys for those who have none

ya goof, this is America, land of the free, opportunity for all, prosperity abound, not your little morality playhouse,
why don't you pack up and get the fu@k out of here, comprende?

 

[Ross Dolan]

Oh I agree,

Democrats should just keep yelling SOCIALISM RULES at the top of their lungs
let me know how that works out for you

I have no idea of what you were stretching for there, Getin...but you did not stretch far enough.

Irish was disparaging the Canadian healthcare system in favor of ours...and I, correctly, stated that if asked, Canadians would laugh at the idea of trading their system for ours.

Ours sucks!

let me translate this for you , frankie

When liberals were kids, they believed it was ok to take other peoples toys without asking, and liberals believe it's ok to take as much money from me through taxes in order to buy more toys for those who have none

ya goof

Piss poor "translation", Getin.

In any case, the notion that American conservatives want low taxation because of moral reasons...is about like the notion that they want Donald Trump as president because of their love for morality and family values.

Get off the nonsense, Getin.

You're better than that. Right?

 

[Getin the ring]

it's so rich to listen to post after post jumping on trump for his low morals
when you voted for Hillary

it's so rich to listen to post after post jumping on Trump for not being fit for President
when you voted for Obama

and on and on the hypocrisy is nauseating

We are indeed better than this

 

[Ross Dolan]

it's so rich to listen to post after post jumping on trump for his low morals
when you voted for Hillary

Hillary Clinton's morals are head and shoulders above those of Trump. If you find the notion rich...you do not understand morals. Oh, wait a minute. You are an American conservative. Obviously you do not understand morals.

it's so rich to listen to post after post jumping on Trump for not being fit for President
when you voted for Obama

President Obama was 10 times more fit for the presidency than Trump will ever be. If you find the notion rich...you do not understand fitness for the presidency. Oh, wait a minute. You are an American conservative. Obviously you do not understand fitness for the presidency.

and on and on the hypocrisy is nauseating

There we agree, Getin. The hypocrisy IS nauseating. I cannot understand how American conservatives can do it without throwing up.

We are indeed better than this

I know i am better than what is happening with some of you people. I hope you are, too. Sometimes you give me pause, though.