An idea for bipartisan tax reform

Pay your own bills

Hold on...you said that your support about tax cuts has nothing to do with economics, which means it's all an emotionally-charged subject with you.

You're too emotional.


tealing someone’s money to satisfy your conscience is immoral.

If you think taxation is theft, then you're an idiot.


That you call it a tax and use the force of gobblement coercion to do it makes it no less immoral and tyrannical

We know...you don't like taxes but you like all the things taxes pay for.

You're a confused person.


I cede nothing.

Great, so what is the economic argument in favor of your tax cuts? Be sure to cite empirical evidence, not your personal fantasies and theories.



My reasoning for low taxation is a moral one. I reject your premises out of hand.

Right...so there's no fiscal or economic reasoning for it...just your emotion.

Smile more.
 
Hold on...you said that your support about tax cuts has nothing to do with economics, which means it's all an emotionally-charged subject with you.

You're too emotional.




If you think taxation is theft, then you're an idiot.




We know...you don't like taxes but you like all the things taxes pay for.

You're a confused person.




Great, so what is the economic argument in favor of your tax cuts? Be sure to cite empirical evidence, not your personal fantasies and theories.





Right...so there's no fiscal or economic reasoning for it...just your emotion.

Smile more.

Not emotional at all Toby

I didn’t say taxes in an of themselves are immoral. There is a level of taxation that is required for a nation to run

Let’s be clear when I speak of this issue I am referring mostly to federal income taxes.

I believe that taxing income directly in the form of an income tax is immoral. It is confiscation of personal property.

You make assumptions that “you like what taxes pay for” which is the point where you blather on about roads and cops and firefighters blah blah blah.

If the Federal government kept spending to those things specifically outlined in the original Constitution we could get by with excise taxes and tariffs to fund the federal government.

As the US Constitution outlined everything else should be left to the states.

Our fundamental disagreement is that I believe in individual liberty and private property. You do not. You believe EVERYTHING belongs to the government. It is infused in everything you say
 
Not emotional at all Toby

Your singular argument for tax cuts is an emotional one...you even said so yourself that it's based in morals, which is all about emotion. Your personal emotions regarding taxation. You make emotional arguments like that because you can't make any other type of argument.

Also, it's laughable that you would screech about "morality" as you support a President who cheated on all three of his wives, pays off porn stars, and barges into the dressing rooms of teenage girls.
 
I didn’t say taxes in an of themselves are immoral. There is a level of taxation that is required for a nation to run

Way to walk back what you said before, which was this:

That you call it a tax and use the force of gobblement coercion to do it makes it no less immoral and tyrannical

So now you're flip-flopping and/or redefining the parameters because you realized halfway through your argument that your position is stupid and untenable.
 
Let’s be clear when I speak of this issue I am referring mostly to federal income taxes.

MOVE. THOSE. GOALPOSTS!

You're not clarifying, you're redefining.

Much like how you redefined yourself after Bush the Dumber by stapling a teabag to your face and pretending to care about the debt.
 
You make assumptions that “you like what taxes pay for” which is the point where you blather on about roads and cops and firefighters blah blah blah.

Yeah, all those pesky social services you are fundamentally opposed to, yet wholly rely on to continue your meaningless existence.
 
Bottom line!

The racist white man didn't/doesn't want their tax dollars going to help Blacks and Mexicans so they make up lies for tax cuts.

Too bad the racist white man is too much of a coward to admit it.
 
If the Federal government kept spending to those things specifically outlined in the original Constitution we could get by with excise taxes and tariffs to fund the federal government.

It's your stupid opinion for what you think the federal government can and cannot do. And every single time, your stupid opinion is not validated by the courts. So what happens is that you try and foist your subjective opinion as the baseline standards when you've done nothing to earn that entitlement and accommodation.
 
Not emotional at all Toby

I didn’t say taxes in an of themselves are immoral. There is a level of taxation that is required for a nation to run

Let’s be clear when I speak of this issue I am referring mostly to federal income taxes.

I believe that taxing income directly in the form of an income tax is immoral. It is confiscation of personal property.

You make assumptions that “you like what taxes pay for” which is the point where you blather on about roads and cops and firefighters blah blah blah.

If the Federal government kept spending to those things specifically outlined in the original Constitution we could get by with excise taxes and tariffs to fund the federal government.

As the US Constitution outlined everything else should be left to the states.

Our fundamental disagreement is that I believe in individual liberty and private property. You do not. You believe EVERYTHING belongs to the government. It is infused in everything you say

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No tax breaks for wealthy.

No bipartisan efforts.

No compromise.

They need to pay the money they have stolen from American citizens back with interest. They have had tax breaks for decades.
 
As the US Constitution outlined everything else should be left to the states.

This is a lazy argument that doesn't stand to scrutiny.

You all told us that Medicare was unconstitutional back in the day, even though it was upheld by the courts.

You all told us that Social Security was unconstitutional back in the day, even though it was upheld by the courts.

You all told us that the ACA was unconstitutional, even though it was upheld by the courts.

So your kind has been wrong about this shit for the last 80 years, so why would you start being right now?

Seems that you don't know shit about the Constitution, since you keep finding yourself on the wrong side of it.
 
This is a lazy argument that doesn't stand to scrutiny.

You all told us that Medicare was unconstitutional back in the day, even though it was upheld by the courts.

You all told us that Social Security was unconstitutional back in the day, even though it was upheld by the courts.

You all told us that the ACA was unconstitutional, even though it was upheld by the courts.

So your kind has been wrong about this shit for the last 80 years, so why would you start being right now?

Seems that you don't know shit about the Constitution, since you keep finding yourself on the wrong side of it.

They've had white America fooled for decades......
 
Our fundamental disagreement is that I believe in individual liberty and private property

No you don't.

You believe in accommodation of your perspective because you think you're entitled to it.

But you're not entitled to shit.

Entitlements are earned, and you haven't earned anything.


You believe EVERYTHING belongs to the government

Please link to any post of mine where I say that.

You are having a temper tantrum and are trying to foist a straw man on me because your fundamental beliefs are a crock of shit, and you know it.
 
Way to walk back what you said before, which was this:



So now you're flip-flopping and/or redefining the parameters because you realized halfway through your argument that your position is stupid and untenable.

Not at all. I was responding to your reductionist reasoning.
 
MOVE. THOSE. GOALPOSTS!

You're not clarifying, you're redefining.

Much like how you redefined yourself after Bush the Dumber by stapling a teabag to your face and pretending to care about the debt.

Not redefining at all. If you circle back to this entire debate it centers around the federal income tax code. That is what you harp on incessantly about changing

I don’t argue about income tax cuts on the basis of economics because to do so would be accepting the premise that I think it is OK for the government to tax income. I reject that premise and therefore condone myself to the morality of the government confiscating a citizens property to essentially give to another citizen.

That I don’t accept your flawed premises is what upsets you
 
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