Another Traitor Monument Comes Down
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Are you guys talking about the Civil War? Leaving require leaving. The south stayed and fought against the USA. Taking discussion of justice out of the equation
that is definitional treason, dimwit. The colonies fought the redcoats and did not leave, yet it was treason against the crown.
Backto justice? Your cause was enslaving black people to do all the hard work for you for free and to rip their families apart and
sell their kids. Nice cause yuse guys have there. Probably should build some heroic monuments to the losers. That's what you losers did
after we let you live. Every breath your forefathers drew was at our discretion. We win. You are a vanquished losing people.
Your leader is a yankee carpetbagger with New York values. Ha!
Treason is defined as acting to overthrow one's own government. The Confederacy was a separate government. You can't overthrow your own if you aren't part of it anymore.
Are you guys talking about the Civil War? Leaving require leaving. The south stayed and fought against the USA. Taking discussion of justice out of the equation
that is definitional treason, dimwit. The colonies fought the redcoats and did not leave, yet it was treason against the crown.
Backto justice? Your cause was enslaving black people to do all the hard work for you for free and to rip their families apart and
sell their kids. Nice cause yuse guys have there. Probably should build some heroic monuments to the losers. That's what you losers did
after we let you live. Every breath your forefathers drew was at our discretion. We win. You are a vanquished losing people.
Your leader is a yankee carpetbagger with New York values. Ha!
Oh, you think leaving meant they physical boundaries had to be separated?
Get off the slavery nonsense. It simply isn't true.
You assume you're letting me live? That's a joke. You won't come out from behind your computer. Tough guy on the keyboard.
Eagle_Eye
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How does a statue or monument effect you in any way? I understand refusing to honor it. So why can't one just ignore it and get on with their life? All this hoopla over statues, crosses, monuments and the like is nothing more than feel good social activism. It accomplishes nothing but makes the activist feel good.
Why do you think the Nelson monument in the middle of O'Connell Street, Dublin was destroyed? History moves on, and the Nazi crap put up to rally Nazis against the Freedom Riders is not deeply needed in a decent society, any more than English imperialist propaganda was required in Dublin..
A statue to a cause like slavery does not affect me *personally* because I'm not black nor were my ancestors slaves or slavers. However, it does affect me because it affects my fellow citizens in negative ways. Here's an example. My university has as part of its self-description this: "Northern Michigan University is located on the ancestral homelands of the Anishinaabe Three Fires Confederacy. Gichi-Namebini Ziibing is the traditional name of this area now also called Marquette. For more information visit the Center for Native American Studies website at nmu.edu/nativeamericans." As you might expect, we have a fairly large population of indigenous people here. Now can you imagine if someone were to erect a statue of Custer, or Andrew Jackson, or a monument to residential schools on our campus? How do you suppose the indigenous students and their allies would feel and react?
you are being a moron again...
Article III
Section 3.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.
I am opposed to monuments that glorify and sanitize traitors and racists for your personal comfort and tearing them down sends the message to people like you that your revisionist history is a joke, and the arc of history will always bend toward justice.
The only reason you defend these monuments is because they sanitize and glorify people with whom you share the exact same values.
If the monuments are so meaningless, why were they erected in the first place?
The statues are feel-good Conservatism.
They give you comfort by glorifying the people whose values you share.
Traitors and losers don't get to rest in peace. Ever.
If the monuments mean nothing, then why are you fighting so hard to defend them and why were they erected in the first place?
The monuments make you feel good because they glorify traitors and racists, with whom you share the same values.
That's why you hate that they're being torn down; the sanitization of traitors is something you've worked very hard to do because you identify with those traitors and share their positions, values, and beliefs.
You clearly don't understand what treason is. By your "logic", Japan was committing treason against the U.S. during WW II.
In some place in England, they have put up a monument to Thatcher! What conceivable point can there be to it but to insult and triumph over the vast number of British communities her wicked stupidity destroyed? One day, when I'm less busy, I shall go over and blow the bloody thing up. Watch this space.
Boris The Animal
It's Just Boris!
And ensure your own brand of bigotry. Congrats, Communist!
Mason Michaels
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I said I would have liked the vets to get it.
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Eagle_Eye
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Most would react exactly like I do. Most people don't dwell on the past. I'm half native American and what happened to my people was terrible but it happened and there is nothing I can do to change history. In fact I welcome the exposure of what the white man did to the native Americans as it raises awareness of people that this great country came at a price on both sides. You mention Custer that was a great victory for Sitting Bull but it came with a terrible after cost. That is why I think it is dumb to take reminders of past injustices such as statues and monuments down. All that does is degrade the sacrifices people made to overcome those injustices.
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I have no reason to leave, BOY. I have people like you to educate.