Last time Earth hit these CO2 levels there were trees at the South Pole

I don’t care if you believe me. You don’t have to

Actually, for your argument to have validity, I must believe you.

You're using your own personal, unverifiable anecdotes as the basis of support of this argument (and others)...and you lean on that crutch because you have no actual evidence to support anything you are saying.
 
Regardless. I don’t believe in man made global warming

I don't believe any of the shit you claim about yourself.

The difference is there is evidence to support climate change being man-made, but there's no evidence to support the personal claims you make about yourself, that you use exclusively as the basis of your beliefs.
 
I don't have kids, so strike one.

Strike two, your kids fucking hate you and resent you. They mock you behind your back and they fully intend to stuff you in the cheapest, shittiest, most abusive old folks home they can find because they don't want to deal with you.

Strike three, whenever a Conservative cannot credibly argue their position, they invoke anecdotes they never intend to verify.

What is so unbelievable about owning property in the mountains?
 
1) You think human civilization is less than 10k years old???

It depends on how you define civilization, of course. Using the Merriam Webster definition ("... specifically: the stage of cultural development at which writing and the keeping of written records is attained"), yes, civilization is much less than 10,000 years old. Even fairly simple systems of pre-writing date back only around 6000 years, with more coherent writing dating back around 5000 years.

2) Did you ignore the data set from NOAA/NASA?

No. What would make you imagine that?

3) Do you comprehend what the little ice age is?

Of course. What would make you think otherwise?

You think the Earth is going to naturally warm coming out of the little ice age?

You seem to be missing the point. The current rate of warming is much faster than anything in the paleoclimate reconstruction going back hundreds of thousands of years. That includes multiple little ice ages and subsequent warming periods. None of those periods had warming anywhere near this fast.

You think it coincidence that the AGW fear mongering religious cult start their data projections based on the end of the little ice age?

You're confused. The "little ice age," which followed the Medieval Warm Period is generally looked like this:

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As you can see, the low point was somewhere around 1600-1700, so if you wanted to emphasize total warming, you'd start your measure there. Yet scientific temperature reconstructions either start much earlier (when using paleoclimate proxies), or much later (1880, when using instrument records). The scientists use the best available data, rather than playing the denialist game of cherry-picking start and end dates in an attempt to make a political point.

4) Do you comprehend the correlation between sunspots/solar flares and the Earths temp?

Yes. Clearly you don't, though. How long do you think sunspot cycles last? How long do you think this extraordinary pace of warming has lasted? Are you aware that the sun's output has actually been DECREASING slightly over the past 50 years?

Do you realize other planets are also warming?

Some are, some aren't. What the denialist propagandists rely on, here, is incredible ignorance about the solar system among their target audience. They cherry pick a few bodies in the solar system where we have sparse data suggesting maybe they've gotten warmer, and ignore the dozens of bodies where there's no sign of warming, or even sign of cooling. Even among their cherry-picked subset, they're usually working with almost no data -- for example, a couple photos of one part of the Martian landscape suggesting warming at that particular spot between those particular observation points, and then they extrapolate that into a long-term global phenomenon. That's what's so funny about the half-wits on that side of the argument. You can present them with an absolute mountain of data showing warming on Earth -- literally millions of measurements from all of the Earth over the course of over a century, and they'll pretend to be skeptical that there's any warming. But show them two photographs from Mars and they're convinced. It's not about any rational standard of proof. It's about whether or not you're telling them something they want to believe. Then they wonder why all intelligent people consider them jokes.
 
Personally, I think it's too late.

I think the damage has already been done and it's irreversible.

I think we're headed for mass starvation and migration, water wars, and conflict over dwindling supplies and resources.

If you were foolish enough to have kids, you totally set them up to have hard, difficult lives.

So kill yourself and spare us all!
 
Yes you do.

Your entire argument hinges on me believing you.

If your anecdotes are taken off the table, what do you have left to defend yourself? Nothing.

So you make shit up about yourself to paper over the deficits in your arguments.

What a fucking fraud.

I don’t have to defend myself

You presume that you are important enough for me to worry about whether or not you believe me. You aren’t.

But I can see how inconceivable it is that someone would own another home. It is unheard of
 

The alarming thing has been the increase in the rate over time. If you do a straight-line trend, you'll find the rate is 0.0074 per year, but with an R-squared value of only 0.8138 (meaning that trend line is a fairly poor fit for the data. But do a polynomial trend line (allowing the trend to accelerate smoothly along with the data), and you get a much better match: an R-squared value of 0.9471. What you find, if you look at the data honestly, is that the pace of warming has been rising over time.

If you can do basic calculus, let me know, and I'll explain this in more exact mathematical terms. But assuming math isn't really your thing, just compare the last ten year (from 0.62 to 0.94) to any ten-year period prior to 2008. Where we've had 0.32 degrees of warming in the last ten, the average for a ten-year period before that was just 0.07 degrees. Things aren't just getting warmer; they're getting warmer at an accelerating pace, as correctly predicted by the scientists years ago.
 
It depends on how you define civilization, of course. Using the Merriam Webster definition ("... specifically: the stage of cultural development at which writing and the keeping of written records is attained"), yes, civilization is much less than 10,000 years old. Even fairly simple systems of pre-writing date back only around 6000 years, with more coherent writing dating back around 5000 years.



No. What would make you imagine that?



Of course. What would make you think otherwise?



You seem to be missing the point. The current rate of warming is much faster than anything in the paleoclimate reconstruction going back hundreds of thousands of years. That includes multiple little ice ages and subsequent warming periods. None of those periods had warming anywhere near this fast.



You're confused. The "little ice age," which followed the Medieval Warm Period is generally looked like this:

1280px-2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png


As you can see, the low point was somewhere around 1600-1700, so if you wanted to emphasize total warming, you'd start your measure there. Yet scientific temperature reconstructions either start much earlier (when using paleoclimate proxies), or much later (1880, when using instrument records). The scientists use the best available data, rather than playing the denialist game of cherry-picking start and end dates in an attempt to make a political point.



Yes. Clearly you don't, though. How long do you think sunspot cycles last? How long do you think this extraordinary pace of warming has lasted? Are you aware that the sun's output has actually been DECREASING slightly over the past 50 years?



Some are, some aren't. What the denialist propagandists rely on, here, is incredible ignorance about the solar system among their target audience. They cherry pick a few bodies in the solar system where we have sparse data suggesting maybe they've gotten warmer, and ignore the dozens of bodies where there's no sign of warming, or even sign of cooling. Even among their cherry-picked subset, they're usually working with almost no data -- for example, a couple photos of one part of the Martian landscape suggesting warming at that particular spot between those particular observation points, and then they extrapolate that into a long-term global phenomenon. That's what's so funny about the half-wits on that side of the argument. You can present them with an absolute mountain of data showing warming on Earth -- literally millions of measurements from all of the Earth over the course of over a century, and they'll pretend to be skeptical that there's any warming. But show them two photographs from Mars and they're convinced. It's not about any rational standard of proof. It's about whether or not you're telling them something they want to believe. Then they wonder why all intelligent people consider them jokes.

Again... you are simply making shit up. We are not at any extraordinary pace. 1 degree over 138 years. Coming out of the little ice age. So no, it is not that unusual. No, other time frames have been similar if you look at the data. It is the constant ADJUSTING of data to make pre 2000 temps cooler and post 2000 temps warmer that keeps the myth alive.

The cycles for sun spots tend to last about 11 years. We had a flat period for over a decade for temps. The peak in 2016 was about .99. Last year it was .83. Sun activity was low the past two years. Yet the religious AGW cult still thinks man is the primary driver.

You might want to update your knowledge on civilization. More and more sites are being found of pre ice age civilizations.

Finally the little ice age is said to have ended around 1870 or so. Most AGW cult followers look to data from 1880 forward. Shocking.
 
Actually, for your argument to have validity, I must believe you.

You're using your own personal, unverifiable anecdotes as the basis of support of this argument (and others)...and you lean on that crutch because you have no actual evidence to support anything you are saying.

I am not making an argument. I am just stating a fact

My personal situation is not related to my skepticism on man made global warming which I believe to be a complete and utter fraud
 
If you believe in evolution then you have to believe they will adapt.

Wow, that's a hilariously stupid statement. The large majority of species that have ever existed are currently extinct. OBVIOUSLY evolution doesn't mean any given species (or eco-system, for that matter), will successfully adapt to a climate change. All it tells us is that SOME species have managed to adapt or evolve to meet the challenges of each past change. THINK!
 
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Why can’t you impact weather in the short term?

Well, in theory I could -- for example, by cloud-seeding. But it's just not what we're talking about here, obviously.

Here is your challenge. Go out and find an iceberg.

Piece of cake. Give me two small icebergs of the same size (so we don't have to wait forever), and a whole bunch of coal dust to put on one. Let them both sit in the sun. I guarantee the one I put the coal dust on will melt faster. Care to guess why?
 
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Wow, that's a hilariously stupid statement. The large majority of species that have ever existed are currently extinct. OBVIOUSLY evolution doesn't mean any given species (or eco-system, for that matter, will successfully adapt to a climate change). All it tells us is that SOME species have managed to adapt or evolve to meet the challenges of each past change. THINK!

So they will adapt or die. No big deal

It’s all good
 
Why don't you ask me my name, age, SSN ? You think I'm as stupid as our dearly departed Frank was?
An alternative is for you to check the criteria for getting published in Compendium then scrutinize most climate papers.
Actually some are very well done and meet stringent requirements for publication but there's no political conclusion in them, only scientific conclusions.

So this is your style; you make a claim about yourself that is intended to lend credibility to your argument, but when asked to verify that claim, you refuse.

So the claim is bullshit, then.
 
Well, in theory I could -- for example, by cloud-seeding. But it's just not what we're talking about here, obviously.



Piece of cake. Give me two small icebergs of the same size (so we don't have to wait forever), and a whole bunch of coal dust to put on one. Let them both side in the sun. I guarantee the one I put the coal dust on will melt faster. Care to guess why?

How long will it take? How much coal dust will it take? What is the temperature?
 
Again... you are simply making shit up.

No. I'm recounting the science. No point blubbering just because you were ignorant of it. Just thank me for relieving your of your ignorance and do better in the future.

We are not at any extraordinary pace. 1 degree over 138 years

We are at a much quicker pace than that, now. But even if it were just 1 degree over 138 years, when, exactly, do you think was the last time we had warming of a degree every 138 years. Be specific, please.

The cycles for sun spots tend to last about 11 years. We had a flat period for over a decade for temps.

We didn't, actually. We just had a period of somewhat slower warming. And then we went back to faster warming. As sunspots have ebbed and flowed, we've gone from abnormally quick warming to insanely quick warming and back again. That can't be explained by the ups and downs of sunspots. Obviously.

You might want to update your knowledge on civilization. More and more sites are being found of pre ice age civilizations.

My knowledge of civilization is so far beyond yours that I just have to chuckle. As I said, it depends on your definition of the word, but if you're going with that Websters definition, civilization has been around much less than 10,000 years. If you're going with some other definition based around, say, the emergence of cities, you might push back closer to 10,000, but you'd need to go back to pre-civil cultures if you went before the ice age. Nothing resembling writing or cities existed at the time.

Finally the little ice age is said to have ended around 1870 or so. Most AGW cult followers look to data from 1880 forward. Shocking.

Obviously, if you were trying to exaggerate the extent of the warming, you wouldn't start your measurement ten years after the ice age ended. You'd start it in the depths of the ice age, when temperatures were at their coolest, a century or two earlier. How can you possibly not realize that?
 
Nothing.

What's unbelievable is you owning that land.

Fair enough. It is ok if you don’t believe me. My skepticism of man made global warming was never predicated on my owning property

Speaking of property one wonders why really rich people who claim to believe in man made global warming are still buying beach front property when we are are supposed to be underwater in 10 years. Seems like a waste of money
 
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