Question for our gun enthusiast friends.

RB 60 said:
So you think a shooter is going to stop shooting to let you check his gun's "registration" number? Are you really that dense?

Have any of those shooters purchased their guns from someone privately?
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Come on RB, let's set every other political difference we may have aside, and look at the gun issues in a non-partisan non-political way, and lets you and I both just discuss gun issues like two gentlemen without all of the silly insults and tired-old politically redundant and out-dated cliche's.

The reason why I ask you to look at my idea of registration specifically, is because, I think we both want our public to be safe, we both want to help police keep us safe as well, we both own guns, we both want only responsible people with good intentions to own guns, and we both certainly do not want guns to land in the hands of those who are not trustworthy or potentially could be dangerous to our society.

So right there, you and I want a lot of the same things. We are not enemies.

Now, I have had my thoughts on Gun Registration for many many years. But, I would have never looked at registration, if there were one thing about it, that was against the Constitution or the 2nd Amendment.

I think where we may disagree is how the 2nd Amendment is worded. The use of the word "Infringed" may be what confuses many people today just as the word "Militia" may also be confusing people today.

First of all our Constitution guarantees and insures citizens of the United States and the people "overall" to be a free society and insures we the people remain free. Our forefathers did not want to "Infringe" on people's freedom either. Yet, right now, we have over 2.3 million people incarcerated in jails and prisons across the country. And, justifiably so, if you can catch my drift. It is because, after a due process of law, all of these people were found guilty by judge and jury to have violated either a state, federal, or local law and their freedom had to be taken away from them.

Should we infringe upon someone's freedom to own or pursue Nuclear Bombs, Hand grenades, WMD's of any kind? ? That certainly is not in the Constitution and I think we both know the reason why! However, our "Militia" is certainly not "Infringed" to have them or use them.

But these are tired old arguments that could certainly be debated just as the 2nd Amendment is as Old and Tired in itself as well.

But even with all that being said, let's set the debates on all that aside for a moment, and I ask you only this question.

I would like to know if you agree that your state should have a registration for vehicles, and that drivers should have a license, and why?

If you do not agree that your state should have a mandatory vehicle registration process, and/or should also have a mandatory requirement that people should be required to obtain a license to drive, please advise the forum of why you do not believe we should!

Let's just establish that- and then we can more effectively debate the pro's and con's of Gun Registration!

Or, you can just tell me to Fuck Off, insult me, for just trying to have a very important debate on this very serious subject that weighs on every mind in the country in one way or another.
 
Adolf_Twitler said:
Come on RB, let's set every other political difference we may have aside, and look at the gun issues in a non-partisan non-political way, and lets you and I both just discuss gun issues like two gentlemen without all of the silly insults and tired-old politically redundant and out-dated cliche's.

The reason why I ask you to look at my idea of registration specifically, is because, I think we both want our public to be safe, we both want to help police keep us safe as well, we both own guns, we both want only responsible people with good intentions to own guns, and we both certainly do not want guns to land in the hands of those who are not trustworthy or potentially could be dangerous to our society.

So right there, you and I want a lot of the same things. We are not enemies.

Now, I have had my thoughts on Gun Registration for many many years. But, I would have never looked at registration, if there were one thing about it, that was against the Constitution or the 2nd Amendment.

I think where we may disagree is how the 2nd Amendment is worded. The use of the word "Infringed" may be what confuses many people today just as the word "Militia" may also be confusing people today.

First of all our Constitution guarantees and insures citizens of the United States and the people "overall" to be a free society and insures we the people remain free. Our forefathers did not want to "Infringe" on people's freedom either. Yet, right now, we have over 2.3 million people incarcerated in jails and prisons across the country. And, justifiably so, if you can catch my drift. It is because, after a due process of law, all of these people were found guilty by judge and jury to have violated either a state, federal, or local law and their freedom had to be taken away from them.

Should we infringe upon someone's freedom to own or pursue Nuclear Bombs, Hand grenades, WMD's of any kind? ? That certainly is not in the Constitution and I think we both know the reason why! However, our "Militia" is certainly not "Infringed" to have them or use them.

But these are tired old arguments that could certainly be debated just as the 2nd Amendment is as Old and Tired in itself as well.

But even with all that being said, let's set the debates on all that aside for a moment, and I ask you only this question.

I would like to know if you agree that your state should have a registration for vehicles, and that drivers should have a license, and why?

If you do not agree that your state should have a mandatory vehicle registration process, and/or should also have a mandatory requirement that people should be required to obtain a license to drive, please advise the forum of why you do not believe we should!

Let's just establish that- and then we can more effectively debate the pro's and con's of Gun Registration!

Or, you can just tell me to Fuck Off, insult me, for just trying to have a very important debate on this very serious subject that weighs on every mind in the country in one way or another.
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I'll just tell you to fuck off. The Constitution is a package deal. You can't just pick and choose what you want to ignore in it. Age doesn't change it's validity. That is a presentism fallacy. Vehicles are not guns. False equivalence fallacy. The type of arm is not specified in the 2nd amendment. That means it IS legal to have nuclear bombs, hand grenades, or WMDs of any kind. Of course, you are responsible for what happens to people due to their use or storage, just as with any weapon.
 
Adolf_Twitler said:
Come on RB, let's set every other political difference we may have aside, and look at the gun issues in a non-partisan non-political way, and lets you and I both just discuss gun issues like two gentlemen without all of the silly insults and tired-old politically redundant and out-dated cliche's.

The reason why I ask you to look at my idea of registration specifically, is because, I think we both want our public to be safe, we both want to help police keep us safe as well, we both own guns, we both want only responsible people with good intentions to own guns, and we both certainly do not want guns to land in the hands of those who are not trustworthy or potentially could be dangerous to our society.

So right there, you and I want a lot of the same things. We are not enemies.

Now, I have had my thoughts on Gun Registration for many many years. But, I would have never looked at registration, if there were one thing about it, that was against the Constitution or the 2nd Amendment.

I think where we may disagree is how the 2nd Amendment is worded. The use of the word "Infringed" may be what confuses many people today just as the word "Militia" may also be confusing people today.

First of all our Constitution guarantees and insures citizens of the United States and the people "overall" to be a free society and insures we the people remain free. Our forefathers did not want to "Infringe" on people's freedom either. Yet, right now, we have over 2.3 million people incarcerated in jails and prisons across the country. And, justifiably so, if you can catch my drift. It is because, after a due process of law, all of these people were found guilty by judge and jury to have violated either a state, federal, or local law and their freedom had to be taken away from them.

Should we infringe upon someone's freedom to own or pursue Nuclear Bombs, Hand grenades, WMD's of any kind? ? That certainly is not in the Constitution and I think we both know the reason why! However, our "Militia" is certainly not "Infringed" to have them or use them.

But these are tired old arguments that could certainly be debated just as the 2nd Amendment is as Old and Tired in itself as well.

But even with all that being said, let's set the debates on all that aside for a moment, and I ask you only this question.

I would like to know if you agree that your state should have a registration for vehicles, and that drivers should have a license, and why?

If you do not agree that your state should have a mandatory vehicle registration process, and/or should also have a mandatory requirement that people should be required to obtain a license to drive, please advise the forum of why you do not believe we should!

Let's just establish that- and then we can more effectively debate the pro's and con's of Gun Registration!

Or, you can just tell me to Fuck Off, insult me, for just trying to have a very important debate on this very serious subject that weighs on every mind in the country in one way or another.
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Yes, we agree we don't want firearms in the hands of anyone who would use them in the commission of a crime or against innocent people. The constitution says "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." So, in my opinion, that means the "people" must have the right to possess firearms as there cannot be a militia formed without it's members already having firearms. I'd say that interpretation means to form a militia if this country was attacked, locals can form an organized militia to defend from an invasion. That right to protect and defend ourselves "shall not be infringed." As for the "Nuclear Bombs, Hand grenades, WMD's," etc, keep in mind when the constitution was written cannons (being the WMD's of the time) were legal to own. But seriously, who would want to own and maintain any of the WMD's of today, unless they planned to use them? I surely wouldn't.

The registration of firearms and vehicles is vastly different. Vehicles are registered and drivers licensed because they are used on public roadways. If you were to only drive on private property, you wouldn't need either a license or registered vehicle. The funds from these (are supposed to, anyway) are used to maintain public roadways.
Firearms, on the other hand, are not used on public property (hunting license fees pay to maintain public hunting grounds in individual states) and you must have a license to hunt (unless you farm and huntyour own land).

I am firmly against registration of firearms. Our government doesn't need to know what or how many firearms I own. Since I, and millions of responsible gun owners will never use any of our firearms in the commission of a crime, what good will it do to have us register them? If a gun is used in the commission of a crime, unless it is retrieved, no one could know who it is registered to. It doesn't have a license plate like an automobile where someone can get the number and call it in.
Registration is the first step to confiscation. Face the facts, many (both politicians and individuals) would like to see our firearms confiscated. My military issued firearms would be first, my semi autos next then handguns...

To answer your question, I have no problem registering my vehicles or having a driver's license because I operate my vehicles on public roadways. In fact, my 1965 Cobra could be registered as an antique or a classic. Antiques (here in PA.) don't need to be inspected yearly like all other vehicles. I registered it as a classic, so it must pass a yearly inspection despite the fact that I put less than 2000 to 2500 miles on it yearly and am meticulous when it comes to maintaining and cleaning it, as I am with my firearms.

So, lets debate.
 
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Adolf_Twitler said:
Come on RB, let's set every other political difference we may have aside, and look at the gun issues in a non-partisan non-political way, and lets you and I both just discuss gun issues like two gentlemen without all of the silly insults and tired-old politically redundant and out-dated cliche's.

The reason why I ask you to look at my idea of registration specifically, is because, I think we both want our public to be safe, we both want to help police keep us safe as well, we both own guns, we both want only responsible people with good intentions to own guns, and we both certainly do not want guns to land in the hands of those who are not trustworthy or potentially could be dangerous to our society.

So right there, you and I want a lot of the same things. We are not enemies.

Now, I have had my thoughts on Gun Registration for many many years. But, I would have never looked at registration, if there were one thing about it, that was against the Constitution or the 2nd Amendment.

I think where we may disagree is how the 2nd Amendment is worded. The use of the word "Infringed" may be what confuses many people today just as the word "Militia" may also be confusing people today.

First of all our Constitution guarantees and insures citizens of the United States and the people "overall" to be a free society and insures we the people remain free. Our forefathers did not want to "Infringe" on people's freedom either. Yet, right now, we have over 2.3 million people incarcerated in jails and prisons across the country. And, justifiably so, if you can catch my drift. It is because, after a due process of law, all of these people were found guilty by judge and jury to have violated either a state, federal, or local law and their freedom had to be taken away from them.

Should we infringe upon someone's freedom to own or pursue Nuclear Bombs, Hand grenades, WMD's of any kind? ? That certainly is not in the Constitution and I think we both know the reason why! However, our "Militia" is certainly not "Infringed" to have them or use them.

But these are tired old arguments that could certainly be debated just as the 2nd Amendment is as Old and Tired in itself as well.

But even with all that being said, let's set the debates on all that aside for a moment, and I ask you only this question.

I would like to know if you agree that your state should have a registration for vehicles, and that drivers should have a license, and why?

If you do not agree that your state should have a mandatory vehicle registration process, and/or should also have a mandatory requirement that people should be required to obtain a license to drive, please advise the forum of why you do not believe we should!

Let's just establish that- and then we can more effectively debate the pro's and con's of Gun Registration!

Or, you can just tell me to Fuck Off, insult me, for just trying to have a very important debate on this very serious subject that weighs on every mind in the country in one way or another.
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First you say:

"Come on RB, let's set every other political difference we may have aside, and look at the gun issues in a non-partisan non-political way, and lets you and I both just discuss gun issues like two gentlemen without all of the silly insults and tired-old politically redundant and out-dated cliche's."

And then you follow up with this:

"Should we infringe upon someone's freedom to own or pursue Nuclear Bombs, Hand grenades, WMD's of any kind? ?"

:facepalm:
 
RB 60 said:
That's funny! An opinion piece from an anti-gun website.
There's even more anti-gun websites if you look, dickhead :palm:
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I notice you didn’t answer the question, pussy.

They gave the stats on straw purchases, stupid fuck.

Provide your own sources that say they don’t exist.

I’ll wait.
 
domer76 said:
I notice you didn’t answer the question, pussy.

They gave the stats on straw purchases, stupid fuck.

Provide your own sources that say they don’t exist.

I’ll wait.
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You obviously have serious comprehension issues.
I never said they didn't exist. I asked for one example,
yet you bring up an anti-gun website claiming these
"statistics." Were any of the guns used in any of these
"mass shootings" obtained illegally?
 
RB 60 said:
You obviously have serious comprehension issues.
I never said they didn't exist. I asked for one example,
yet you bring up an anti-gun website claiming these
"statistics." Were any of the guns used in any of these
"mass shootings" obtained illegally?
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You fucking morons keep telling us that mass shootings are such a miniscule part of the entire number of shootings. How many are involved in other shootings, asshole?


https://www.nrablog.com/articles/2016/7/buying-and-selling-firearms-part-6-straw-purchases/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...have-been-saying-for-a-long-time-about-crime/

Refute my sources with one of your own. 79% of crimes committed by a person that wasn’t the owner. Only 30% were stolen.
 
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