Tariff Man is back, and American consumers will pay for it

Bill

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New York (CNN Business)The Tariff Man is back. President Donald Trump's newly proposed tariffs on China would be particularly bad news for US consumers.
Investors sold off well-known retail and tech stocks in response, because they would get hit hardest by the additional tariffs.

"Tariffs are taxes on American consumers," said Rick Helfenbein, president and CEO of the American Apparel & Footwear Association. "The president's decision to proceed with adding these additional costs for hard-working American families is truly shocking."


Trump tweeted Thursday that he's proposing an additional 10% tariff on $300 billion's worth of Chinese-made products entering the United States. That includes things like smartphones, toys, footwear and many other consumer goods.

"American families shouldn't be a pawn in this trade war," said Hun Quach, vice president of international trade for the Retail Industry Leaders Association. "Today's announcement only moves us closer to consumers bearing the brunt of the pain."​


The National Retail Federation said it is disappointed the administration is doubling down on tarrifs.
"These additional tariffs will only threaten US jobs and raise costs for American families on everyday goods," said David French, senior vice president for government relations at the NRF. "The tariffs imposed over the past year haven't worked, and there's no evidence another tax increase on American businesses and consumers will yield new results."​

Investors weren't happy either. Shares of Best Buy (BBY) plunged more than 10%. Nike (NKE) was down 3%. Hasbro (HAS) fell 5% while rival toymaker Mattel (MAT) was down 7%. Apple (AAPL) fell about 2.5% while Chinese e-commerce giant Alibaba (BABA) was down more than 4%.
And the SPDR S&P Retail ETF (XRT), which counts Dillard's (DDS), Abercrombie & Fitch (ANF), Guess? (GES), L Brands (LB) and Kohl's (KSS) among its top 10 holdings, lost about 3%. Target (TGT) was down nearly 5%.

"Uncertainty will dampen business investment and trade flows," said Elena Duggar, Moody's associate managing director.

She said American consumers will pay higher prices for everyday items, such as electronics, clothing, footware and toys, because of the tariffs.
Semiconductor stocks, which have a big presence in China, also plunged due to worries that China could retaliate with further tariffs against the US tech industry.

The Philadelphia Semiconductor Index (SOX) fell 2%, led by drops in Intel (INTC), AMD (AMD), Nvidia (NVDA), Qualcomm (QCOM) and Broadcom (AVGO).
That led to a dramatic turnaround on Wall Street Thursday, with the Dow swinging from a 300-point gain earlier in the day to a more than 250-point loss.

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American families shouldn't be a pawn in this trade war," said Hun Quach, vice president of international trade for the Retail Industry Leaders Association. "Today's announcement only moves us closer to consumers bearing the brunt of the pain."
so what ELSE can you do to get China to stop slow-walking trade negotiations? say please? :rolleyes:

Nobody wants tariffs they ae the stick that hits China and US farmers and consumers - but there is no other way to get China to negotiate -even with all the tariffs so far they are dragging their feet
 
so what ELSE can you do to get China to stop slow-walking trade negotiations? say please? :rolleyes:

Nobody wants tariffs they ae the stick that hits China and US farmers and consumers - but there is no other way to get China to negotiate -even with all the tariffs so far they are dragging their feet

So cutting off ours & their noses until one concedes is the great deal makers only option....... That is really kinda sad, isn't it??

Like w/ the TPP he didn't even try to negotiate, he pulled out.

Terrible deal, pls anyone here actually believe he read that??? Not even funny.....

I don't have a magic solution, I don't claim to be the worlds great deal makers.. I would not proceed to play the game on a world stage W/ ZERO EXPERIENCE...

What seems clear, regardless of how much more taxes we are forced to pay, china is not going to capitulate on certain things...

They are not going to stop stealing patents, nor forcing corporations to give up the tech....

The world is against these practices but instead of joining w/ them we are attacking & threatening them/ our allies just like they were our enemies.......

That has got to be horrible strategy in anyone's book............

What is you great plans??
 
So much winning. Trump has always looked down on the middle- and lower-income Americans. Too bad he's using his tariff hammer to flatten us. I'm sure all his followers who are loathe to spend a penny of their hard-earned paycheck for "welfare" won't mind paying far more for clothing, electronics, cars, furniture, textiles, foods, etc. etc.
 
Tariff Man is back, and American consumers will pay for it

American workers will benefit from it. They are also consumers; therefore, American consumers will benefit from it.

If people quite buying China crap; their environment and workers will benefit.

See how the REAL world really works Silly Hill Billy? You tard. :laugh:
 
So much winning. Trump has always looked down on the middle- and lower-income Americans. Too bad he's using his tariff hammer to flatten us. I'm sure all his followers who are loathe to spend a penny of their hard-earned paycheck for "welfare" won't mind paying far more for clothing, electronics, cars, furniture, textiles, foods, etc. etc.

We are winning. You keep losing and are always wrong. You should be embarrassed. But you lack the intelligence it takes to comprehend the obvious.
 
So much winning. Trump has always looked down on the middle- and lower-income Americans. Too bad he's using his tariff hammer to flatten us. I'm sure all his followers who are loathe to spend a penny of their hard-earned paycheck for "welfare" won't mind paying far more for clothing, electronics, cars, furniture, textiles, foods, etc. etc.

Last I saw was each household was paying an additional 800+ in taxes per year as a result......... This will be on top of that..........

Everyone is suffering but his business & friends......... They got 90billion in tax breaks & we paid 87billion more in taxes, all works out, all good.:rolleyes:
 
So much winning. Trump has always looked down on the middle- and lower-income Americans. Too bad he's using his tariff hammer to flatten us. I'm sure all his followers who are loathe to spend a penny of their hard-earned paycheck for "welfare" won't mind paying far more for clothing, electronics, cars, furniture, textiles, foods, etc. etc.

You have just described everyone who wants cheap stuff in this country. They do not think they should pay what it truly costs. Such as fresh produce. You are also describing a great deal of people who think that slave labor, low wages and non existent labor laws are just fine in other countries as long as they do not have to pay more here. I will leave whose those people are up to you.
 
Last I saw was each household was paying an additional 800+ in taxes per year as a result......... This will be on top of that..........

Everyone is suffering but his business & friends......... They got 90billion in tax breaks & we paid 87billion more in taxes, all works out, all good.:rolleyes:

I'm responding to you but not directing this at your personally. My opinion is many folks on the left who are against these tariffs are against them because Trump is doing it.

Here's a thread from 2007. It's about how the U.S. is losing jobs because of trade with China. I'll repost what Cypress' wrote about me and others who support free trade and trade deals. Now all of a sudden folks who shared his attitude just a decade ago have found religion on free trade? Not buying it.


""You think this was an accident, or somehow all unintentional?

This was exactly what the wall street republicans, and corporate-sponsored Dems had in mind when the passed NAFTA, WTO, and China MFN.

A downward pressure on labor costs and wages in the United States.

People like Cawacko, Damocles, and Stuperfreak actually bought into the nonsense that William F Buckley, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, and Alan Greenspan were actually valiantly trying to improve the status, power, and wage potential of america's working middle class. Is it possible to be any more foolish that to believe scions of the conservative movement and america's rich investor were invested in improving the power and status of Joe and Jane working class american?""

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...t-2-3-million-U-S-jobs-report&highlight=china
 
Last I saw was each household was paying an additional 800+ in taxes per year as a result......... This will be on top of that..........
Everyone is suffering but his business & friends......... They got 90billion in tax breaks & we paid 87billion more in taxes, all works out, all good.:rolleyes:

Economic experts -- including Mr. Owl -- have been saying all along that this is really going to drag down the economy. Not just the temporary Wall Street dips, but overall. Consumer spending is the engine that drives our economy; make its gas cost a lot more and people won't "drive" as much.
 
You have just described everyone who wants cheap stuff in this country. They do not think they should pay what it truly costs. Such as fresh produce. You are also describing a great deal of people who think that slave labor, low wages and non existent labor laws are just fine in other countries as long as they do not have to pay more here. I will leave whose those people are up to you.

Those people are called Americans. Period. Unfortunately, Sailor, we no longer make a lot of things in this country that were available when we were young -- shoes, most clothing, fabrics to sew your own, tools, TVs, refrigerators, etc. In many cases we have no option to buy American and support American workers rather than "exploited" overseas workers. Regarding fresh produce, we want illegals to come pick it for cheap so it's cheap for us, and then go away when they're done. And don't come whining to us if you have pesticide poisoning or your child is born with birth defects.
 
Those people are called Americans. Period. Unfortunately, Sailor, we no longer make a lot of things in this country that were available when we were young -- shoes, most clothing, fabrics to sew your own, tools, TVs, refrigerators, etc. In many cases we have no option to buy American and support American workers rather than "exploited" overseas workers. Regarding fresh produce, we want illegals to come pick it for cheap so it's cheap for us, and then go away when they're done. And don't come whining to us if you have pesticide poisoning or your child is born with birth defects.

Not at all. They would sell their own family members for cheap shit. And there is always an option to buy American. Of course those that think nothing about child labor, slave wages etc, to keep themselves in the newest fashion, technology and comfort less expensively would never consider spending an extra dollar to help their neighbor live a better life. "Regarding fresh produce, we want illegals to come pick it for cheap so it's cheap for us". This part has some honesty to it. Exploit the illegals, slave wages so some do not have to pay what it really is worth.
 
Not at all. They would sell their own family members for cheap shit. And there is always an option to buy American. Of course those that think nothing about child labor, slave wages etc, to keep themselves in the newest fashion, technology and comfort less expensively would never consider spending an extra dollar to help their neighbor live a better life. "Regarding fresh produce, we want illegals to come pick it for cheap so it's cheap for us". This part has some honesty to it. Exploit the illegals, slave wages so some do not have to pay what it really is worth.

Both consumers and corporations are to blame. When they were allowed -- even encouraged -- to move operations to third world countries, U.S.-based plants could not compete, and shut down. There wasn't much outcry because Unions = Bad and many of those jobs lost were unionized. Plus we can get jeans and new shoes cheaper now! You can't ask ppl to "spend an extra dollar to help their neighbor live a better life" when so many -- esp. on the right -- abhor the idea. I suspect you're going to pretend that it's those of us on the left who are the problem. It's not. It is ALL OF US.

Enjoy that flaming economy while you can!
 
Not a rhetorical question and possibly a very dumb one, what qualifies as “Made in America” today? With our global supply chains so many different parts and pieces come from all over the world. Is there a definition that quantifies what is or isn’t determined to be made here?
 
I'm responding to you but not directing this at your personally. My opinion is many folks on the left who are against these tariffs are against them because Trump is doing it.

Here's a thread from 2007. It's about how the U.S. is losing jobs because of trade with China. I'll repost what Cypress' wrote about me and others who support free trade and trade deals. Now all of a sudden folks who shared his attitude just a decade ago have found religion on free trade? Not buying it.


""You think this was an accident, or somehow all unintentional?

This was exactly what the wall street republicans, and corporate-sponsored Dems had in mind when the passed NAFTA, WTO, and China MFN.

A downward pressure on labor costs and wages in the United States.

People like Cawacko, Damocles, and Stuperfreak actually bought into the nonsense that William F Buckley, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, and Alan Greenspan were actually valiantly trying to improve the status, power, and wage potential of america's working middle class. Is it possible to be any more foolish that to believe scions of the conservative movement and america's rich investor were invested in improving the power and status of Joe and Jane working class american?""

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...t-2-3-million-U-S-jobs-report&highlight=china

I looked @ the link, I am not sure what you are getting @ back there... Maybe they do.:dunno:

I would agree many are against it because of trump, just like the dems are NO WALL NO WAY because trump has been an asshole~that tends to happen when you bully & shit on your opponents/ppl in general, but that is another thread...

I believe also many are opposed because his great plan isn't working, china has not blinked nor will they blink no matter how much trump taxes Americans..

This is gonna be like a doubling the additional tax?? trump has an election coming up, Ping don't have to worry about that, or stock market of big mouths, a media that can disagree etc etc etc........ Sounds kinda like someone painted themselves into a corner??
 
Economic experts -- including Mr. Owl -- have been saying all along that this is really going to drag down the economy. Not just the temporary Wall Street dips, but overall. Consumer spending is the engine that drives our economy; make its gas cost a lot more and people won't "drive" as much.

Oil took a big hit today when he announced his next stumble... You can drive more, just may not have any money to spend when you get there......
 
New York (CNN Business)The Tariff Man is back. President Donald Trump's newly proposed tariffs on China would be particularly bad news for US consumers.
Investors sold off well-known retail and tech stocks in response, because they would get hit hardest by the additional tariffs.

Cool. I have 2.5 months of dividends that I have been waiting to invest. I'll do some shopping in the morning. I got some nice deals back in May, and here we go again. Thank you Mr. Trump!
 
I looked @ the link, I am not sure what you are getting @ back there... Maybe they do.:dunno:

I would agree many are against it because of trump, just like the dems are NO WALL NO WAY because trump has been an asshole~that tends to happen when you bully & shit on your opponents/ppl in general, but that is another thread...

I believe also many are opposed because his great plan isn't working, china has not blinked nor will they blink no matter how much trump taxes Americans..

This is gonna be like a doubling the additional tax?? trump has an election coming up, Ping don't have to worry about that, or stock market of big mouths, a media that can disagree etc etc etc........ Sounds kinda like someone painted themselves into a corner??

My point isn't about Trump per se. I refer to the 2007 post that said China was eating our lunch and costing us jobs and free traders don't care about the American worker, all they care about is getting cheap goods at Walmart (and Walmart is bad) etc. For years Unions have supported tariffs on steel and other goods in the name of protecting American jobs. You didn't hear folks complaining then.

Now all of a sudden tariffs are bad? And the cost of goods rising at Walmart is bad? That's what I'm not buying.
 
Both consumers and corporations are to blame. When they were allowed -- even encouraged -- to move operations to third world countries, U.S.-based plants could not compete, and shut down. There wasn't much outcry because Unions = Bad and many of those jobs lost were unionized. Plus we can get jeans and new shoes cheaper now! You can't ask ppl to "spend an extra dollar to help their neighbor live a better life" when so many -- esp. on the right -- abhor the idea. I suspect you're going to pretend that it's those of us on the left who are the problem. It's not. It is ALL OF US.

Enjoy that flaming economy while you can!

It is not all of us. At all. Most of the assholes that talk about the unions on this board (liberals) are neither part of union, nor do they support them financially. Just do what they do best. Leech off another persons work and struggle. Like illegal immigrants.
You will never find a fucking Democrat paying for anything extra when it comes out of their own pockets. That is just fact. Exploiting child labor, illegal labor and fucking the unions they supposedly support are common practice so they do not have to help their fellow Americans. That whole slave plantation mentality never left.
 
Cool. I have 2.5 months of dividends that I have been waiting to invest. I'll do some shopping in the morning. I got some nice deals back in May, and here we go again. Thank you Mr. Trump!

Well it could be your lucky day.. The Nikkei is down 2% already so could be ugly tomorrow~ & might not be the bottom be careful, good luck.....
 
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